Hello,

I've got a retina MacBook since a few days, but already there is quite a lot of pain:

1> Lazarus renders really bad, pixelated, and Retinizer couldn't help it =( The main Lazarus window starts in a position too in the top of the screen and therefore under the menu bar. I couldn't find anything so far in google which would indicate a solution to the pixelation problem. I guess Apple went out of their way to screw Carbon apps in Yosemite? Because a LCL-Cocoa app looks great ... well, I guess LCL-Cocoa is a each time more pressing priority... but anyway, does anyone know how to fix the existing Carbon Lazarus in retina? I need to use the source editor =D

2> this second part will be just a rant, since I doubt anyone will have a solution. OMG I have this computer since 2 days and already there is so much pain getting gdb up and running =( homebrew won't work because of a stupid wrong version of a 200kb install_name_tool app, and their proposed solution is that I download more than 5GB and reinstall the entire operating system just to get this *&%$ bastard 200kb file fixed =( what is wrong with these people at Apple???? Couldn't they just not remove gdb??? Can't someone just send me the file?

Anyway, I guess I will have to reinstall everything from zero due to this stupid file. (actually this will be really hard since I'm already over my internet limit and using my phone's internet ... if the notebook had a DVD drive and install DVD then I could reinstall from the DVD, but I didn't think they would remove the DVD drive from their main notebook) Or maybe just give up debugging in Mac OS X ... long live WriteLn!!!

thanks,

Please create a bug report for the position.

My Lazarus with carbon is not pixelated on Yosemite, so there must be a way.
Normally the NSHighResolutionCapable in our Info.plist does the trick. For some it did not, but then Retinizer off, on did the trick. It sounds as if you have already tried that.

What file? /usr/local/bin/gdb?

Two days ago there was an Apple Update, which made MS Silverlight untrustworthy. Even the newest version. Apple seems to start wars with all former partners.

Go writeln, go!

Mattias

The most annoying part is that Lazarus keeps bugging me on Start about "you'll have unpleasant experience", while no debugger is selected. Or was it fixed, just to give the warning on the first start?

thanks,
Dmitry
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I have done a screencap of Lazarus running on my Retina Mac:

http://temp.michael-ring.org/Retina.jpg

When you display it in Preview in original size and then hit CMD '-' three times then you see the resolution as I see it on my display.

Antialiasing must be set to on, the fonts are not rendered in perfect resolution, but for me this is now good enough. You can also build Lazarus with QT-Widgetset, but then you loose []{} keys in Lazarus which is sometimes a little frustrating when you need an array ;-)

I have uploaded the gdb from my machine here:

http://temp.michael-ring.org/gdb (5.1MB)

judging by the dependencys it has it should also wort on your MAC. BUT you first need to codesign it.

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13913818/how-to-get-a-codesigned-gdb-on-osx

It is pretty straightforward to build gdb from source, the following libs/tools might be necessary (I have those installed with homebrew), but configure will tell you...

libtool pkg-config automake gettext readline gnu-getopt texi2html

Michael

It says:
'Without a proper debugger, debugging will be disappointing'

Maybe a button can be added: 'I can live with that, shut up' to not ask every start.

Mattias

I have done a screencap of Lazarus running on my Retina Mac: http://temp.michael-ring.org/Retina.jpg

That does not look retinized.

It should look like my attached screenshot.

Mattias
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I envy you ;-)

What version of OSX do you use?

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

I envy you ;-) What version of OSX do you use?

10.10.
It looked like this on 10.8 too.

I just tried. The trick is to close the program, then remove the following two lines from projectname.app/Contents/Info.plist:

<key>NSHighResolutionCapable</key>
<true/>

Then use Retinizer.

We have to find out what Retinizer does.

Mattias

This trick also worked for me, great!!!

This is what Retinizer did to Info.plist, I am rebuilding Lazarus now to see if more files are changed by retinizer...

<true/> <true/>

<key>NSHighResolutionCapable</key> <true/>

</dict> </dict>
</plist> </plist>

Michael

In Info.

Mattias Gaertner wrote

Please create a bug report for the position.

http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=27410

Can you reproduce? I can try to fix myself, if you point me to where in the code the main IDE window is positioned at start...

Normally the NSHighResolutionCapable in our Info.plist does the trick. For some it did not, but then Retinizer off, on did the trick. It sounds as if you have already tried that.

Aha! I didn't think of doing off / back on ... that indeed fixes it =)

I sent an e-mail to the author of Retinizer asking what his software does, let's see if he answers.

> Couldn't they just not remove gdb??? Can't someone just send me the > file? What file? /usr/local/bin/gdb?

No, /usr/bin/install_name_tool because then I could have homebrew working which will probably be necessary for a lot more stuff in the future than only gdb ;)

But it needs to be install_name_tool from Yosemite...

My SVN says that after I removed NSHighResolutionCapable, Retinizer didn't add it back ... wierd. Nothing else is shown changed by svn. I see no new files ... crazy.

Ok, now I tried, and indeed Retinizer has zero magic in it =)

The solution was merely removing NSHighResolutionCapable ...

So I guess that some Mac OS X versions it will look good only when NSHighResolutionCapable is ON, and in other ones (like mine) it will look good only when NSHighResolutionCapable is deleted...

Retinizer clearly knows which ones.

Now I am doing make clean / make bigide to make sure Retinizer didn't change my executable.

Now I am doing make clean / make bigide to make sure Retinizer didn't change my executable.

No change after make clean / make bigide.

So excluding the possibility that Retinizer somehow register within Mac OS X itself (and therefore outside my lazarus dir) that this app should be rendering beaultifully, it really came down to the bloody flag...

Pls. open an issue about it.

zeljko

Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote

So excluding the possibility that Retinizer somehow register within Mac OS X itself (and therefore outside my lazarus dir) that this app should be rendering beaultifully, it really came down to the bloody flag...

Ok, I tested some more and Retinizer can make Lazarus look good / bad without changing the flag ... so indeed I am lost here =) My theory does not seam to be true, it looks like it registers with the OS somehow ... =(

I tried googling but it didn't bring anything helfup... so far my only ways forward are:

1> The author will be nice and tell us what to do (I will try Apple mailling lists too if there is no answer in a few days....) or
2> Just gotta live with the Retinizer dependency until LCL-Cocoa is ready for the IDE

About the install_name_tool issue and reinstalling the OS:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1549618

lol! There is no offline OS reinstall out of the box ... (facepalm). Even the recovery partition will download the OS. I guess the people that invented this madness never lived in a country where internet is slow/expensive like Brazil.

Someone figured out how to create their own USB installer, but it requires first downloading the 5+GB installer from App Store: http://www.fixedbyvonnie.com/2014/04/reinstall-mac-os-x-mavericks/

That's it, I already hate Tim Cook. Someone should resurrect Jobs.

Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote

I tried googling but it didn't bring anything helfup... so far my only ways forward are:

Google *is* the master, you just have to use it right =D

With this search string: site:lists.apple.com/archives/carbon-dev retina

Here is the magic! Commands in the terminal:

Retinize!

defaults write lazarus.freepascal.ide AppleMagnifiedMode NO

De-Retinize!

defaults write lazarus.freepascal.ide AppleMagnifiedMode YES

Global Retinize! (all Carbon apps)!

defaults write -g AppleMagnifiedMode NO

So should I implement running "defaults write lazarus.freepascal.ide AppleMagnifiedMode NO" into startlazarus ?

Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote

So should I implement running "defaults write lazarus.freepascal.ide AppleMagnifiedMode NO" into startlazarus ?

Looks like that it can be fixed in code too:

http://sdg.mesonet.org/people/brad/XCode3/Documentation/DocSets/com.apple.adc.documentation.AppleSnowLeopard.CoreReference.docset/Contents/Resources/Documents/#documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/HiDPIOverview/HiDPIConcepts/HiDPIConcepts.html

"by specifying kWindowFrameworkScaledAttribute at window creation time."

The author refuses to say how it works (good that I already found in Google), but he proposed to add AppleMagnifiedMode = NO into info.plist. No idea if it will work, I'll try when I'm back from work.

I remember reporting this too, so there might be a Mantis issue already (not 100% sure).

Regards,
- Graeme -

Michael Ring wrote

Antialiasing must be set to on, the fonts are not rendered in perfect resolution, but for me this is now good enough. You can also build Lazarus with QT-Widgetset, but then you loose []{} keys in Lazarus which is sometimes a little frustrating when you need an array ;-)

Yes Michael, you right.
Problem in source editor side, "alt" key not work, I mean not just that symbols, all "alt" key combinations not work. In object inspector, I wrote [a,b,c]{} and copy to clipboard and paste in source editor. Did you create bug report? if not I'll create

Done,

http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=27411

Thank you,

Michael

I added kWindowFrameworkScaledAttribute to window creation in 47605, and in a small test app I can see difference, it really works. I have no idea why, but it doesn't work for the IDE to me =(

I guess we will need "defaults write lazarus.freepascal.ide AppleMagnifiedMode NO" so that it will at least look good from the second IDE start on (or does the bundle use startlazarus?)

Mattias Gaertner wrote

Maybe a button can be added: 'I can live with that, shut up' to not ask every start.

Was that ever added post-v1.4? That nag screen is rather annoying at every start.

Regards,
- Graeme -

Mattias Gaertner wrote

The trick is to close the program, then remove the following two lines from projectname.app/Contents/Info.plist:

Arg! It would have saved me so much time, if only I read the whole message thread before trying all kinds of things. :) At least in the end I found the same work-around as you.

Regards,
- Graeme -

Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote

That's it, I already hate Tim Cook. Someone should resurrect Jobs.

I second that motion! :) After all the frustrations we are having with our Macbook Pro + Retina display, my wife refuses to upgrade her 2011 iMac! I don't blame is getting worse and worse with every release.

Regards,
- Graeme -

In defense of Apple, I run Lazarus on Kubuntu on a Macbook pro+ Retina, and the result is not exactly optimal (mildly put). Not for Lazarus, but also not for the whole KDE suite of programs or even FireFox.

Most software was simply not designed to run on such high resolutions. It will take some time for the programs to adapt.

Michael.

Michael Van Canneyt wrote

Most software was simply not designed to run on such high resolutions. It will take some time for the programs to adapt.

Their hardware build quality is brilliant on all there products. It's not just about the resolution though. Yes I absolutely love the crispness of hi-res displays, but I'm a creature of habit (aka old school), and just can't get the damn hang of OSX keyboard shortcuts, or their physical keyboard layout (no PgUp/PgDn, Home, End etc). Ok, ok, I do have a thing for keyboards too (I own a ton of them) - after all, the keyboard is my main input method for a computer. eg: in Lazarus on OSX I pressed F12 to see the form designer, but OSX grabbed the shortcut and rather showed be the useless desktop widgets (clock, calendar etc) screen. This is why I don't use Desktop Environments even under FreeBSD or Linux. Instead I use old school (again) Window Managers like JWM, so that nothing steels my keyboard shortcuts. ;-)

Regards,
- Graeme -

On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys <

That's "defaults hate". (an application is bad because its defaults are not matching a users's preference)
OSX shortcuts can be configured. As well as Lazarus shortcuts can be remapped to be more Nix/Win like.

Just spend some time to configure your environment!

thanks,
Dmitry
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I'm still not used to keyboards shortcuts, for example: I found new, move component via keyboard on form while designing, normally use ctrl and arrow keys, in qt osx have to use "cmd + ctrl arrows keys", cmd key and ctrl key mixed. For reseloution I'm using 21" monitor via hdmi cable :) and bluetooth keyboard and magic path.
I missed my desktop, kubuntu. 15.04 plasma 5 stable shared. I downloaded afew min. ago. Maybe this wekeend I'll re up my desktop.

Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote

Just spend some time to configure your environment!

I know both OSX and Lazarus allows for shortcut customisation. The problem is (partly because I'm a Dvorak user), I have customised my shortcuts in Lazarus IDE and my other tools (all under FreeBSD) extensively. To try and duplicate that on Linux or OSX will take hours! I just don't have that time, so I'll just complain and move on. ;-)

Regards,
- Graeme -

FreeMan wrote

I'm still not used to keyboards shortcuts, for example

I seem to have a mental block remembering the OSX shortcuts for Home, End, Delete, PgUp and PgDn. And the major problem is, those are keys I use very often (muscle memory), so I get super frustrated when I'm on a Mac. Post-it notes come in handy, and I always seem to have a few in every laptop bag with shortcuts scribbled on them. :)

Regards,
- Graeme -

The _real_ solution is also hidden in this thread:

Felipe found it, perhaps the fix never found it's way in the Lazarus Sourcecode:

With this search string: site:lists.apple.com/archives/carbon-dev retina Here is the magic! Commands in the terminal: Retinize!

defaults write lazarus.freepascal.ide AppleMagnifiedMode NO

De-Retinize!

defaults write lazarus.freepascal.ide AppleMagnifiedMode YES

Looks like that it can be fixed in code too:
http://sdg.mesonet.org/people/brad/XCode3/Documentation/DocSets/com.apple.adc.documentation.AppleSnowLeopard.CoreReference.docset/Contents/Resources/Documents/#documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/HiDPIOverview/HiDPIConcepts/HiDPIConcepts.html "

by specifying kWindowFrameworkScaledAttribute at window creation time."