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Michael Van Canneyt
to Thomas Singer: what do you mean with interfaces? Interface and implementation in pascal/delphi manner or…
Thomas Singer wrote 9 lines
> Try another distribution. As for using object pascal: if you don't need > interfaces, I think you will have no problems developing with Free Pascal. > Michael. Dear Michael, what do you mean with interfaces? Interface and implementation in pascal/delphi manner or interfaces in java-manner?

Pascal/delphi Interfaces: they are not yet supported, but we plan to add them.

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By the way, I agree with you relating the RedHat/Debian/SuSE problem. I use SuSE since version 5.1 (currently 6.2) and I must say, it works fine. The most stuff is already configured and the other stuff can be configured easily.

I've been using SuSE since 5.0 (now 6.3, Both INtel and ALPHA-AXP versions), without a glitch. I've tried RH 4.2, 5.2 and 6.0 and had problems with all of them...

So for me at least the choice is obvious. But this is purely based on my own experience.

Michael.

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Thomas Singer
to Michael Van Canneyt: Install Debian or SuSE, they both have this already. see http://www.debian.org or…
Try another distribution. As for using object pascal: if you don't need interfaces, I think you will have no problems developing with Free Pascal. Michael.

Dear Michael,

what do you mean with interfaces? Interface and implementation in pascal/delphi manner or interfaces in java-manner?

By the way, I agree with you relating the RedHat/Debian/SuSE problem. I use SuSE since version 5.1 (currently 6.2) and I must say, it works fine. The most stuff is already configured and the other stuff can be configured easily.

Kind regards
Thomas

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dvortex-[Gotcha/courrier]
to Gunars Rodins: Hmm. Sorry, i have mistaked, i have home RH6.0. I have created with LILO a partition for…

I have one advice:
DIVIDE AND CONQUER...

Don't take it the wrong way, divide all the distro, check them all (if you have the time) and see which one you feel good with. once you know which one YOU like, install it and play with it more, .. maybe also try again the one that were close to it... play more.. and eventually, pick your choice..

Note: my experience..
i had slack 3.6, worked, but funny, waited, got CygnusMiniLinux, and worked great... then, moved to RedHat, then back to Slackware 4.0, then 7.0.0 and now, i love slack, and i feel so confortable with it that the windows98 said byebye on my laptop .. :o)

Gunars Rodins wrote 7 lines
So i will try out CorelLinux. In reviews seems to installing without problems and run. Some peoples says, that this CoreLinux is sux. But i am newbie in Linux. I will see your coments about this. > + So for me at least the choice is obvious. But this is purely based > + on my own experience.

This is the best way, take 2 weeks, install Linux everyday.. and you will feel better with one or another... :o)
(ok, maybe not 2 weeks, but try them all!!!)

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> Before ending up in a distro war, I think its a matter of taste, experiences > and things you want to do with Linux. Compared to the slackware distro I > used before, RH4.2 was for me an enlightment. Up till now (RH6.0) I didn't > encounter any problems and I didn't see a reason to use Debian/SuSE/other > distros.

That is exactly the point, build some experience, ask question on how to fix problem, not which distro you like better...

now, that said, Have Fun with linux
(and use Slackware -- Just kidding :o)

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Michael Van Canneyt
to Gunars Rodins: Hello. I am Delphi Fanat. I hope your project makes avaible to build an application for…
Gunars Rodins wrote 6 lines
Hello. I am Delphi Fanat. I hope your project makes avaible to build an application for Linux using Delphi/ObjectPascal language. I have get a RedHat Linux 6.2 , but its hard to manage and install (3 failed instalations, no MultiOSboot (DOS/W95/Linux) support, no intro manuals). And now is a Corel Linux avaible, and authors promisses easy use (such as in Win95+multiBoot)

Install Debian or SuSE, they both have this already.

see
http://www.debian.org
or
http://www.suse.de/en
for more information. Debian is free, SuSE must be paid (but you can download everything for free)

Personally, I don't understand what makes Redhat so popular. Debian and SuSE are just as easy to use, and SuSE has much more packages and is about 1000 times better configured, in my experience. Plus it's cheaper (at least here in Belgium)...

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. I think, that Linux has a better future that M$, so i will learn to make programs for Linux, but i dont love C/C++. I understand, project is not finished, but if you need a coder (Pascal/Delphi) for developing components, or testing, maybee i can help. I have 9 year expirience with Pascal/Delphi and total 12 years in IS. PS> Just I must wait till in my country arrives this Corel Linux. I have very little knowledge in Unix (basical commands only), so i need simple language Linux help (HOWTO) . Try to get that with RedHat 6.2 failed. And other thing, that this RedHat Linux on my PC (Celeron400,64MB Sdram,10GB HDD) works so slow, i dont understand why, maybee config is incorect, but i am not a Linux GURU to manage that. Simply i have heard, that linux runs faster as W95 and NT4 (so says the Toward Linus and other Linux Gurus), but i have seem self that upside down. In hope, Uwix.

Try another distribution. As for using object pascal: if you don't need interfaces, I think you will have no problems developing with Free Pascal.

Michael.

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Gunars Rodins

Hello. I am Delphi Fanat. I hope your project makes avaible to build an application for Linux using Delphi/ObjectPascal language. I have get a RedHat Linux 6.2 , but its hard to manage and install (3 failed instalations, no MultiOSboot (DOS/W95/Linux) support, no intro manuals). And now is a Corel Linux avaible, and authors promisses easy use (such as in Win95+multiBoot) . I think, that Linux has a better future that M$, so i will learn to make programs for Linux, but i dont love C/C++. I understand, project is not finished, but if you need a coder (Pascal/Delphi) for developing components, or testing, maybee i can help.
I have 9 year expirience with Pascal/Delphi and total 12 years in IS.

PS> Just I must wait till in my country arrives this Corel Linux. I have very little knowledge in Unix (basical commands only), so i need simple language Linux help (HOWTO) . Try to get that with RedHat 6.2 failed. And other thing, that this RedHat Linux on my PC (Celeron400,64MB Sdram,10GB HDD) works so slow, i dont understand why, maybee config is incorect, but i am not a Linux GURU to manage that. Simply i have heard, that linux runs faster as W95 and NT4 (so says the Toward Linus and other Linux Gurus), but i have seem self that upside down.

In hope, Uwix.

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Marc Weustink
to Michael Van Canneyt: Pascal/delphi Interfaces: they are not yet supported, but we plan to add them. I've been…

+ From: ]On
+ Behalf Of Michael Van Canneyt

+ > By the way, I agree with you relating the
+ > RedHat/Debian/SuSE problem. I use SuSE since version 5.1
+ > (currently 6.2) and I must say, it works fine. The
+ > most stuff is already configured and the other stuff can be
+ > configured easily.
+
+ I've been using SuSE since 5.0 (now 6.3, Both INtel and
+ ALPHA-AXP versions),
+ without a glitch. I've tried RH 4.2, 5.2 and 6.0 and had
+ problems with all of them...
+
+ So for me at least the choice is obvious. But this is purely based
+ on my own experience.

Before ending up in a distro war, I think its a matter of taste, experiences and things you want to do with Linux. Compared to the slackware distro I used before, RH4.2 was for me an enlightment. Up till now (RH6.0) I didn't encounter any problems and I didn't see a reason to use Debian/SuSE/other distros.

Just my 5ct

Marc

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Gunars Rodins
to Marc Weustink

Hmm.
Sorry, i have mistaked, i have home RH6.0.
I have created with LILO a partition for Linux & partittion for Win95. 2GB for linux i think is enought. Then problem, that i cant tell this lilo , that other partition is a Win95 FAT32 partition. Maybee i am idiot, but ok. Then i have installed standard pack (Gnome included). Then restart. After long wait, i notice, that idiot RH will not Bootup (at 80% they die - stops 18min). I have reinstaled(removed partition, created new, all again). Next time, same problem. Then i have created a boot Flopy. With this boot flopy at end i have started RH. But Boot process was 14 min long (no Celeron400). Then in Gnome windows, i cant normaly test things out cause big internal processor LAG. I think something is wrong.
So i will try out CorelLinux. In reviews seems to installing without problems and run.
Some peoples says, that this CoreLinux is sux. But i am newbie in Linux. I will see your coments about this.

Marc Weustink wrote 31 lines
+ From: ]On + Behalf Of Michael Van Canneyt + > By the way, I agree with you relating the + > RedHat/Debian/SuSE problem. I use SuSE since version 5.1 + > (currently 6.2) and I must say, it works fine. The + > most stuff is already configured and the other stuff can be + > configured easily. + + I've been using SuSE since 5.0 (now 6.3, Both INtel and + ALPHA-AXP versions), + without a glitch. I've tried RH 4.2, 5.2 and 6.0 and had + problems with all of them... + + So for me at least the choice is obvious. But this is purely based + on my own experience. Before ending up in a distro war, I think its a matter of taste, experiences and things you want to do with Linux. Compared to the slackware distro I used before, RH4.2 was for me an enlightment. Up till now (RH6.0) I didn't encounter any problems and I didn't see a reason to use Debian/SuSE/other distros. Just my 5ct Marc _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe: mail with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.miraclec.com/list_archives/lazarus

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Peter Vreman
to Marc Weustink: + From: Thomas Singer + >> ... + >> what do you mean with interfaces? Interface and…
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+ From: Thomas Singer + >> ... + >> what do you mean with interfaces? Interface and implementation in + >> pascal/delphi manner or interfaces in java-manner? + > + >Is there a difference? I think pascal/delphi interface are the same + >in Java, but Borland abuses them to support COM. + With Delphi interface I mean the following:

Can you please use normal quoting using '>'

Peter

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Florian Klaempfl
to Thomas Singer: what do you mean with interfaces? Interface and implementation in pascal/delphi manner or…
Thomas Singer wrote 10 lines
> Try another distribution. As for using object pascal: if you don't need > interfaces, I think you will have no problems developing with Free Pascal. > Michael. Dear Michael, what do you mean with interfaces? Interface and implementation in pascal/delphi manner or interfaces in java-manner?

Is there a difference? I think pascal/delphi interface are the same in Java, but Borland abuses them to support COM.

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Michael Van Canneyt
to Marc Weustink: + From: Thomas Singer + >> ... + >> what do you mean with interfaces? Interface and…
Marc Weustink wrote 38 lines
+ From: Thomas Singer + >> ... + >> what do you mean with interfaces? Interface and implementation in + >> pascal/delphi manner or interfaces in java-manner? + > + >Is there a difference? I think pascal/delphi interface are the same + >in Java, but Borland abuses them to support COM. + With Delphi interface I mean the following: + + unit test; + + interface { stuff that could be seen from out of unit test. } + + function test01( a: integer ): integer; + + implementation { this stuff is only visible within the unit test. } + + function test01( a: integer ): integer; + begin + result := a + 1; + end; + + end. + + With Java interfaces I mean the possibility to define totally abstract + classes (only method headers, no implementation), that could + be used for + multiple inheritence. A (real) Java-class could have only one + superclass, + but none or more interfaces. Clear? Like Delphi ?? type IMyInterface = interface procedure P1; procedure P2; end;

Yes, this is what will be implemented.

Michael.

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Marc Weustink
to Thomas Singer: With Delphi interface I mean the following: unit test; interface { stuff that could be…

+ From: Thomas Singer
+ >> ...
+ >> what do you mean with interfaces? Interface and implementation in
+ >> pascal/delphi manner or interfaces in java-manner?
+ >
+ >Is there a difference? I think pascal/delphi interface are the same
+ >in Java, but Borland abuses them to support COM.
+ With Delphi interface I mean the following:
+
+ unit test;
+
+ interface { stuff that could be seen from out of unit test. } +
+ function test01( a: integer ): integer;
+
+ implementation { this stuff is only visible within the unit test. } +
+ function test01( a: integer ): integer;
+ begin
+ result := a + 1;
+ end;
+
+ end.
+
+ With Java interfaces I mean the possibility to define totally abstract
+ classes (only method headers, no implementation), that could
+ be used for
+ multiple inheritence. A (real) Java-class could have only one
+ superclass,
+ but none or more interfaces. Clear?

Like Delphi ??

type
  IMyInterface = interface
    procedure P1;
    procedure P2;
  end;

Marc

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Thomas Singer
to Florian Klaempfl: Is there a difference? I think pascal/delphi interface are the same in Java, but Borland…
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> ... > what do you mean with interfaces? Interface and implementation in > pascal/delphi manner or interfaces in java-manner? Is there a difference? I think pascal/delphi interface are the same in Java, but Borland abuses them to support COM.

With Delphi interface I mean the following:

unit test;

interface { stuff that could be seen from out of unit test. }

  function test01( a: integer ): integer;

implementation { this stuff is only visible within the unit test. }

  function test01( a: integer ): integer;
  begin
    result := a + 1;
  end;
end.

With Java interfaces I mean the possibility to define totally abstract classes (only method headers, no implementation), that could be used for multiple inheritence. A (real) Java-class could have only one superclass, but none or more interfaces. Clear?

Thomas

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