If you haven't seen yet, Google announced that they will be closing down Google Code. My only concern is that some niche projects used it and that such code could be lost if not migrated to another service. So if you have the time and know of a project that needs migration, please do so. It is always sad to see open source code (no matter how old) simply lost.

Regards,
- Graeme -

I was just about to start using it for something. Now I've got to start looking for an acceptable alternative- preferably one that operates by European rules rather than American ones.

Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote

looking for an acceptable alternative- preferably one that operates by European rules rather than American ones.

Google Code was definitely based on American rules.

Anyway, have a look at GitLab - I just bought out Gitorious. They are based in the EU.

https://about.gitlab.com/about/

You can even install and run your own GitLab server by checking out a copy of the software from GitHub (??).
https://github.com/gitlabhq/gitlabhq

Regards,
- Graeme -

Graeme Geldenhuys wrote

I just bought out Gitorious

Opps.. typo.. it should have read: They just bought or took over Gitorious - or something like that. Gitorious was also based in the EU.

Regards,
- Graeme -

I know.

Anyway, have a look at GitLab - I just bought out Gitorious. They are based in the EU.

[Sigh] I feel like I'm being pushed onto git rather than Subversion. I can really do without this.

Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote

[Sigh] I feel like I'm being pushed onto git rather than Subversion.

Then don't resist it. As 99% of developers would tell you, Git is simply the better product. [Graeme runs and hides :-P]

Regards,
- Graeme -

In our previous episode, Graeme Geldenhuys said:

[Sigh]

What do you mean by this ? How would these rules differ ? I wasn't aware that rules existed ? :)

Michael.

Graeme Geldenhuys wrote

On 2015-03-14 11:38, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: > [Sigh] I feel like I'm being pushed onto git rather than Subversion. Then don't resist it. As 99% of developers would tell you,

[...]

is simply the better product. [Graeme runs and hides :-P]

Please make the same poll about C++ and Pascal ;)

See the example of Sourceforge:

"In its terms of use, SourceForge states that its services are not available to users in countries on the sanction list of the U.S. Office of Foreign Assets Control (including Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan and Syria). Since 2008, access to the secure server (used for making contributions to the site) has been blocked for people from those countries. As of January 2010, all access including downloads was blocked for those users. This meant that all people whose IP addresses appear to belong to those countries were prevented from using the site. A month later, the restrictions were relaxed so that individual projects could indicate whether or not their software should be blocked. Crimea has been blocked since 1 Feb 2015."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SourceForge#Country_restrictions

See the example of Sourceforge:

"In its terms of use, SourceForge states that its services are not available to users in countries on the sanction list of the U.S. Office of Foreign Assets Control (including Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan and Syria). Since 2008, access to the secure server (used for making contributions to the site) has been blocked for people from those countries. As of January 2010, all access including downloads was blocked for those users. This meant that all people whose IP addresses appear to belong to those countries were prevented from using the site. A month later, the restrictions were relaxed so that individual projects could indicate whether or not their software should be blocked. Crimea has been blocked since 1 Feb 2015."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SourceForge#Country_restrictions

Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote

[Sigh] I feel like I'm being pushed onto git rather than Subversion. I can really do without this.

For subversion you can use sourceforge. It's USA-based, however. If you are not using cryptography it shouldn't matter, should it? Sourceforge writes that you can't export crypto tech to some countries, but I don't remember anything else other than that.

Hi,

Please continue this discussion on fpc-other (and in the future, please also start these kinds of discussions there instead of here).

Thanks.

Jonas
FPC mailing lists admin

Google, Sourceforge and most if not all US-located services operate strictly according to US regulations and block access to Cuba, Iran and so on... it wouldn't surprise me if Russia is back on the shitlist before long. Irrespective of my feelings about those regimes, I'd be far happier to use a service that operated according to European laws and conventions.

Jonas Maebe wrote

Hi, Please continue this discussion on fpc-other (and in the future, please also start these kinds of discussions there instead of here).

Sorry Jonas, my fault for not responding to Graeme's posting in the Proper Place.

At the same time I notice Michael Fuchs's quote that "A month later, the [Sourceforge] restrictions were relaxed so that individual projects could indicate whether or not their software should be blocked." I know that FPC has users in Cuba, do they still have problems downloading from Sourceforge?

Try Fossil (http://fossil-scm.org). It's based on your own rules :)

Google Code now has an Export to Github version on the repository pages. It seemed to have popped out of nowhere and it must have been implemented while I was browsing or showed up when I dropped my Javascript blockers.

vfclists . wrote

Google Code now has an Export to Github version on the repository pages.

I've just noticed that too. That should make saving valuable open source projects much easier (way less effort).

I've anybody wants to help collaborate in saving some or all FPC, Lazarus and Pascal projects please let me know. We can put our heads together and come up with a plan and work off a list of projects.

If we have a couple of people helping out, and given the 6-12 months time limit, we should easily get through the list. Obviously active projects will probably be migrated by their respective owners - thus the list gets slightly smaller for us. So if you would like to help, please contact me here, via private email or by any other channels.

I've just briefly scanned through some projects. There are projects like the FPC LLVM backend compiler (not sure if FPC developers know about this), Transmission GUI Frontend, FBLib (though I have my own fork on Github already), Luipack, THTMLViewer, G-Framework etc. Some real gems.

https://code.google.com/hosting/search?q=label:FPC https://code.google.com/hosting/search?q=label:Lazarus https://code.google.com/hosting/search?q=label:Pascal (the big one)

Regards,
- Graeme -

2015-03-14 17:16 GMT-03:00 Graeme Geldenhuys
:

I've just briefly scanned through some projects. There are projects like the FPC LLVM backend compiler (not sure if FPC developers know about this), Transmission GUI Frontend, FBLib (though I have my own fork on Github already), Luipack,

LuiPack is active (although there's not a release in the last years). I'll do the migration on my own.

Luiz

We all know /the/ answer to that one don't we ;)

I totally could never look at another c compiler ever again :)

el es

I've been enjoying getting into C and Python more: http://controlpascal.com/picoscope.htm

Nice oscilloscopes...
prices, though.
if only Elan were still around...

http://synchrotech.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/what-happened-to-elan-digital-systems.html

(I have USBScope50... )

el es