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Re: PCRE

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On 08 Nov 2007, at 00:16, L wrote: > Because of the ridiculous GPL license which freepascal uses, which > isn't as free > as a BSD/NRCOL/MIT license. Please take your license flaming elsewhere, it is completely off topic on this list. Jonas FPC lists moderator

Jonas, you are funny.

Yes, Almost every second post that I make to the mailing list gets labeled as offtopic by you. In fact the words 'the' and 'something' is offtopic since it doesn't relate to Pascal. I fear that even if I bring up Macintosh or BSD or Linux topics that indirectly relate to Pascal, my post will be 'off topic' and cut off.

You know what? You might as well forward ALL my email to fpc-other since most of my emails contain a mixture of pascal wording and some English wording. A fully on topic Pascal list would only contain begin/end pairs along with code.

The fact that we cannot use JCL code inside freepascal is in fact very much on topic. The fact that the freepascal compiler is distributed with a license called GPL is in fact very much on topic since it relates to the Pascal compiler, download, installation, etc.

As a gentle mailing list moderator myself, if someone were to complain they did not like the license Powtils was shipped with on a Powtils mailing list, I would not ban the person or send them to some other list because:
- I am open to discussion about the license that is shipped with source
- I am not trying to hide anything nor am I scared of such issues
- software usually always contains a mix of licenses
- the license has everything to do with the source code
- the license has everything to do with programming
- the license has everything to do with Pascal end users
- the license has everything to do with Pascal developers
- sending them to another list fragments discussion across several lists
- encourages cross posting/duplicate mails or cut off conversations
- it shows signs of anal retentiveness and/or censorship
- it shows signs of emotional sensitivity

Programmers should not be emotionally sensitive to such issues and should be open to discussion on anything relating to pascal, including licenses that restrict pascal. In my holy honest opinion.

This email was sent to fpc-other, even though this email has everything to do with pascal in every way.

From now on, all my emails should be automatically be forwarded fpc-other by

your gnu mail man computer software. Or I may just not send any mails to the lists any more because I'm fed up with people who are emotionally sensitive about every third sentence I speak. I am also fed up with conversations being chopped off and fragmented into several lists, including some discussions being hidden on the core.

I also suggest that any sensitive folks put me in your kill file and ban the entire z505 domain in your firewall/router settings since that z505 site is no good for anything - it even contains off topic stuff not relating to pascal. In fact, even my name, with the number 505 in it, is completely offtopic and should not even be included at the bottom of my message since it is the number 505 and has nothing to do with Pascal.

L505
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Florian Klaempfl
to L
The fact that we cannot use JCL code inside freepascal is in fact very much on topic. The fact that the freepascal compiler is distributed with a license called GPL is in fact very much on topic

In which regard? Why should we want to use the JCL in the compiler?

Jonas Maebe
to L: Jonas, you are funny. Yes, Almost every second post that I make to the mailing list gets…
The fact that the freepascal compiler is distributed with a license called GPL is in fact very much on topic since it relates to the Pascal compiler, download, installation, etc.

Quite possibly, and there have in fact been discussions about FPC's licensing on fpc-pascal and/or fpc-devel in the past.

Statements in the spirit of "license X sucks because it is less free than license Y" (no matter how much you consider that to be an objective truth) however do not invite discussion about the consequences of FPC's licensing, but rather provoke emotionally laden flamewars about the generic properties of various licenses, and later on probably the people/organisations behind hem.

You can do that here or on Slashdot if you want to, but not on fpc- pascal/fpc-devel.

Jonas

Marco van de Voort
to L: Jonas, you are funny. Yes, Almost every second post that I make to the mailing list gets…
The fact that we cannot use JCL code inside freepascal is in fact very much on topic. The fact that the freepascal compiler is distributed with a license called GPL is in fact very much on topic since it relates to the Pascal compiler, download, installation, etc.

First, it is more likely because that we maintain a LGPL-with-exception distribution policy, not because of the compiler license.

Second, the issue is symmetrical.