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FreePascal and Lazarus Foundation

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Mr Bee

Hi all, This morning I was glad to found this website: http://foundation.freepascal.org It's about time to have a foundation for our beloved projects. I hope by having this foundation, Free Pascal and Lazarus projects would go forward, being managed better and more professional to produce the best programming language, compiler and IDE for the world. :) Of course, there are still many things need to be fixed and enhanced on both projects. This foundation would be the first step forward. For this foundation, I'd like to say congratulation and good luck. Regards,

–Mr Bee
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Michael Van Canneyt
to Mr Bee: Hi all, This morning I was glad to found this website: http://foundation.freepascal.org…
Mr Bee wrote 9 lines
Hi all, This morning I was glad to found this website: http://foundation.freepascal.org It's about time to have a foundation for our beloved projects. I hope by having this foundation, Free Pascal and Lazarus projects would go forward, being managed better and more professional to produce the best programming language, compiler and IDE for the world. :) Of course, there are still many things need to be fixed and enhanced on both projects. This foundation would be the first step forward. For this foundation, I'd like to say congratulation and good luck. Regards,

Thank you.

How did you manage to find this site ? I didn't make a public announcement yet :-)

I am glad to hear that you approve. The foundation has been in the works for months, but in the next coming days we'll go public. I was actually waiting for the chairman to create a bank account to which we can couple a paypal account and a button for donations.

The idea of the foundation is as stated on the website: the foundation will not interfere with design decisions, it is there to help with funding: this can be for code improvements/additions, or even making of releases and builds. (which takes a lot of time and equipment)

Lazarus/Free Pascal are volunteer driven projects, and that will remain so. This means that some things are left lying because no-one wants to tackle them. These things can then be taken on by paying someone to do them (if sufficient funds are available).

If the foundation can help in other ways, then that can obviously be discussed too.

Michael.

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Ondrej Pokorny
to Michael Van Canneyt
Michael Van Canneyt wrote 9 lines
On Mon, 27 Jun 2016, Ondrej Pokorny wrote: > Nice! > > I suggest adding "CodeTools support for generics" as a new project. Aren't generics supported yet ?

No.

Maybe you can elaborate what you mean by this support ?

I can. Search for "generics" in Lazarus mantis to get an idea about it:

http://mantis.freepascal.org/view.php?id=30271
http://mantis.freepascal.org/view.php?id=30227
http://mantis.freepascal.org/view.php?id=30124
http://mantis.freepascal.org/view.php?id=23782
http://mantis.freepascal.org/view.php?id=27847
http://mantis.freepascal.org/view.php?id=29163
http://mantis.freepascal.org/view.php?id=29785

There may be more.

Ondrej

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Graeme Geldenhuys
to Michael Van Canneyt: Thank you. How did you manage to find this site ? I didn't make a public announcement yet…
Michael Van Canneyt wrote
How did you manage to find this site ? I didn't make a public announcement yet :-)

Don't you know, nothing can be kept secret on the Internet. ;-)

I am glad to hear that you approve. The foundation has been in the works for months, but in the next coming days we'll go public.

Well done for getting this off the ground.

Regards,
Graeme

fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/ My public PGP key: http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp

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Marc Hanisch
to Michael Van Canneyt: Thank you. How did you manage to find this site ? I didn't make a public announcement yet…

Hello,

very nice to hear about the foundation. Are you open for personal members? I would be interested in promoting Lazarus and Free Pascal. When you get donations, how is the money split to the projects and who decides about which project is getting how much?

Best regards,
Marc

2016-06-27 10:00 GMT+02:00 Michael Van Canneyt :

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On Mon, 27 Jun 2016, Mr Bee wrote: Hi all, This morning I was glad to found this > website: http://foundation.freepascal.org It's about time to have a > foundation for our beloved projects. I hope by having this foundation, > Free Pascal and Lazarus projects would go forward, being managed better > and more professional to produce the best programming language, compiler > and IDE for the world. :) Of course, there are still many things need to > be fixed and enhanced on both projects. This foundation would be the > first step forward. For this foundation, I'd like to say congratulation > and good luck. Regards, > Thank you. How did you manage to find this site ? I didn't make a public announcement yet :-) I am glad to hear that you approve. The foundation has been in the works for months, but in the next coming days we'll go public. I was actually waiting for the chairman to create a bank account to which we can couple a paypal account and a button for donations. The idea of the foundation is as stated on the website: the foundation will not interfere with design decisions, it is there to help with funding: this can be for code improvements/additions, or even making of releases and builds. (which takes a lot of time and equipment) Lazarus/Free Pascal are volunteer driven projects, and that will remain so. This means that some things are left lying because no-one wants to tackle them. These things can then be taken on by paying someone to do them (if sufficient funds are available). If the foundation can help in other ways, then that can obviously be discussed too. Michael. _______________________________________________ fpc-pascal maillist - http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal

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Alexsander Rosa
to Michael Van Canneyt: Thank you. How did you manage to find this site ? I didn't make a public announcement yet…

2016-06-27 5:00 GMT-03:00 Michael Van Canneyt :

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How did you manage to find this site ? I didn't make a public announcement yet :-)

It's not exactly a secret:
http://www.blaisepascal.eu/

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NEWS NEW FOUNDATION ESTABLISHED Free Pascal and Lazarus foundation The Free Pascal and Lazarus foundation <http://foundation.freepascal.org/> is a non-profit organisation dedicated to the promotion and sponsoring of the open source The foundation collects funds to sponsor development of additional features. Which projects are being sponsored. The users can submit projects which they would like to see developed. ------------------------------ THE NEW ISSUE WILL BE SOON AVAILABLE: a cover preview
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Victor Campillo
Michael Ring wrote 6 lines
Most likely that Embarcadero has shut down their development Branch in Spain, about 80 people involved. Michael

When I read the news this morning I was astonished, I didn't know that Embarcadero had such a big team in Spain (I am Spanish). In the group of G+ there is a comment of Allen Bauer that explains which parts of Delphi were developed in this office.

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Allen Bauer <https://plus.google.com/100304918684466464396>+47 The Spain office had taken on most of the IDE, Delphi RTL, GetIT, Installer, some DB, Bluetooth components, IoT, QA, and other miscellaneous tasks. They were by-far the largest single group working on RAD Studio. They were all a wonderful, dedicated, excited group of folks. They were eager to learn and truly enjoyed their jobs. I am deeply saddened by this development. Not unexpected given what I know about the new owners', ahem, decided lack of understanding how a dev-tool should be developed and managed... In fact, how software in general should be developed. Gosh... I wonder why I left...

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Michael Van Canneyt
to Marc Hanisch: very nice to hear about the foundation. Are you open for personal members? I would be…
Marc Hanisch wrote
Hello, very nice to hear about the foundation. Are you open for personal members?

That is the idea, but we still need to adapt the bylaws to allow this.

I would be interested in promoting Lazarus and Free Pascal. When you get donations, how is the money split to the projects and who decides about which project is getting how much?

I had 2 tracks in mind:
- Donations for a specific project/purpose (similar to the bounty system).
- General donations.
The foundation members would vote for the project(s) to fund in the latter system. We'd always need an estimate of how much work is involved for each project.

Michael.

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Michael Van Canneyt
to Alexsander Rosa: 2016-06-27 5:00 GMT-03:00 Michael Van Canneyt : It's not exactly a secret:…
Alexsander Rosa wrote 9 lines
2016-06-27 5:00 GMT-03:00 Michael Van Canneyt : > > How did you manage to find this site ? I didn't make a public announcement > yet :-) > > It's not exactly a secret: http://www.blaisepascal.eu/

Ahah... Well, seems like Detlef is doing things in reverse order here :)

Well, no matter. We were bound to go public in the next days anyway.

Michael.

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Boian Mitov
to Michael Van Canneyt

I also had to post about the site, due to this surprising post yesterday: https://plus.google.com/115782878581272923715/posts/V3KpGyZXgLJ

Long story short... I posted a reply in the main thread about the firing of the 80 developers:
https://plus.google.com/105481197125997414290/posts/FnLvMteQ4dU

as there was interest there. I did not intend to make big announcement, but then this guy obviously saw my post, and decided to announce his own "Foundation", so I had to respond with our announcement: https://plus.google.com/+BoianMitov/posts/46r34KmgrdQ

So now it is known...

With best regards,
Boian Mitov

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-----Original Message----- From: Michael Van Canneyt Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 11:17 AM To: Lazarus mailing list Subject: Re: [Lazarus] FreePascal and Lazarus Foundation On Mon, 27 Jun 2016, Alexsander Rosa wrote: Ahah... Well, seems like Detlef is doing things in reverse order here :) Well, no matter. We were bound to go public in the next days anyway. Michael. --

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Marco van de Voort
to Boian Mitov
Boian Mitov wrote 13 lines
I also had to post about the site, due to this surprising post yesterday: https://plus.google.com/115782878581272923715/posts/V3KpGyZXgLJ Long story short... I posted a reply in the main thread about the firing of the 80 developers: https://plus.google.com/105481197125997414290/posts/FnLvMteQ4dU as there was interest there. I did not intend to make big announcement, but then this guy obviously saw my post, and decided to announce his own "Foundation", so I had to respond with our announcement: https://plus.google.com/+BoianMitov/posts/46r34KmgrdQ So now it is known...

That post tied the foundation to recent Delphi events. IMHo not a good thing to do. We are not the Delphi whipping boy.

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Boian Mitov
to Marco van de Voort

No, we are not a Delphi whipping boy, we are offering alternative, when the community is in distress.
Offering some calm alternative is the right thing to do at a time of panic. Don't you ;-) ?

With best regards,
Boian Mitov

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-----Original Message----- From: Marco van de Voort Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 1:56 PM To: Lazarus mailing list Subject: Re: [Lazarus] FreePascal and Lazarus Foundation On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 12:19:23PM -0700, Boian Mitov wrote: That post tied the foundation to recent Delphi events. IMHo not a good thing to do. We are not the Delphi whipping boy. --

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