Hello,

Any one know who can I talk about Lazarus graphical interface like logo,splash screen and so on?

Thanks
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Hello, Any one know who can I talk about Lazarus graphical interface like logo,splash screen and so on?

This is the right place.

Mattias

What do you want to do specifically? Or do you wish to have some example codes?

Excuse me for missed subject.

I want to know who is the designer and may I propose a new graphic set for Lazarus?

Xirax Xirax wrote

I want to know who is the designer and may I propose a new graphic set for Lazarus?

Yes but it must be configurable. There have been heated discussions about the splash screen especially. Everybody wanted to get their own pictures there.

There are already some logos. Maybe more can be added. Ideally they should be downloaded on demand from somewhere once we have such a system available.

Juha
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I'd like to recommend SVG format for new graphics.

Sandro

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Just out of curiosity: why would you want to download the splash screen ?

I'm not a marketeer, but having a single recognizable logo, consistently used, seems more preferable than a continuously changing logo ?

Michael.

A program like a person need a name and a face so there should not be continuously changing logo but I think Lazarus graphical interface is getting old and maybe I can help so I what to know who is in charge for this case and who did this in the past so I can talk about.

Have a good day.

Xirax Xirax wrote

A program like a person need a name and a face so there should not be continuously changing logo but I think Lazarus graphical interface is getting old and maybe I can help so I what to know who is in charge for this case and who did this in the past so I can talk about.

By all means: please present a new logo that does not look "old". I would really like to see your ideas about that.
Mind you, since I am "old" I like the current logo. We are not against change, we've changed the logo a few times in the past. IIRC we even had a poll in the forum about is at some time.

As far as I am concerned: there MUST be a cheetah in the logo.

I would however suggest to only change logo for either the release of 1.6.x or 2.0 series..

Have a good day.

Same to you.

Bart

Michael Van Canneyt wrote

Just out of curiosity: why would you want to download the splash screen ?

For some people the splash-screen is a "bigger than life" question. You will see it when this mail thread continues. Somebody proposes to use his picture. Somebody else says "no, my picture is better, I want my picture there" ... and so on.

I will commit code that makes it configurable, otherwise I am out of this discussion. Have better things to do.

Juha

Ah, the old "we cannot decide which option to use, so we make it configurable" argument.

I am very familiar with it :-)

Michael.

Thanks Juha and Bart and we are in the same page about version release.

I know an IDE used for coding but as you all can see other big IDEs keep looking good in time by updating it self.Maybe me and you are old proframmers and used too logo and splash and web site but a LIVE project need new users and new users are young,also its good to make a change sometimes.
My purpose is helping Lazarus if I can so I need to know what is the rules.For this I need to know who is in charge in these cases.

Have a good day.

"we cannot decide which option to use, so we make it configurable" its good but there is need for a default,most of the times users just use default and it need decide but it soon for a such thins,for now I just need to know how can I help in this way.

Xirax Xirax wrote

"we cannot decide which option to use, so we make it configurable" its good but there is need for a default,most of the times users just use default and it need decide but it soon for a such thins,for now I just need to know how can I help in this way.

Just send your proposals to this list. That seems the easiest. I don't think there is a central person who handles this kind of requests.

Michael.

Hi,
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I like current splash (cheetah on the pillar). Its timeless, I wouldn't change it. The only aesthetic flaw is that it is a little empty in the middle. It is problem of Splash screen only.
In About Box - there are written infos about Lazarus, FPC and system, so it looks fine. ?
V.

vojtech if there is a new graphic set sure it will have familiar but fresh lock. OK Michael but if you have a link to mail archive or forum that people talked about this subject before please send it to me.

Have a good day.

Last time it happened in forum few years back when I tried to get the new web main page designed.
For some reason the discussion turned into splash screen images. It happened in many threads and may be difficult to find. The consensus was that the developers are against progress because they don't change the splash screen image, but none of the images pleased everybody.
Besides, the importance of splash screen got highly exaggerated. It only shows during few seconds at start, but for new users it seems to be very important.
Thus, I say let's make it configurable.

The candidate images should be collected somewhere. Where?

Juha
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I'm not just talking about splash,I'm talking about a complete graphical set. About configurable it can be good but I think we can make a restore point for probably change so if there will be changes and some users don't want it can go back to old.

So if I can talk to last designer (Icon,splash and so on) it can be a very useful help.

You are consistently:

- top posting (please don't unless you have a good reason like need to use of screen reader)

- missing the point : (please EXCUSE the spoonfeed):

BY ALL MEANS, PLEASE, SHOW US THE PICTURES SOMEWHERE and we'll see if we LIKE them.

Those in charge of repositories are in charge of the picture uploads - they CAN take things in that the Team and the users AGREE on. No more, no less.

HTH
el es

There is no single person.
Changing the logo(s) would be something that would be discussed by the team (final discussion would be none public, sorry).

In general icons, splash, and similar are identifying a product in the same way as the name. So IMHO they should not simple be replaced. However one could *discuss* changes (e.g. crisper/softer colors, rounding edges,...), But that would still leave the original in tact.

As for the icons: They where changed recently (few years ago). It took me many months until I was able to find the task button again....

As for (configurable) replacements (IMHO): the first step is to document where to copy the replacement, and then rebuild. That already works. Of course if someone writes a package (yes a package) that adds config options to the Tools/options dialog, then the main code can be changed to allow all the hooks necessary, so that such a package can also load the gfx.

Le 5/05/2015 22:41, Xirax Xirax a ?crit :

Hi Guys (not seeing girls over there)

After a reading across this post, I wonder how much relevant is, for Lazarus users like me, Xirax Xirax proposal. To be honest I must write that I'm 64 and I know Lazarus and use it for more than 5 years. I also know Delphi from the very first version 1.0 on Windos 3.1 (do some of you remeber what it was ?). As a Lazarus user, I'm absolutely happy on the job the team has achieved so far. As a developer (but non in Lazarus) I like that an IDE gives me as much help as possible to implement the best solution to a given problem. I do not care at all whether the splash screen is either red or grey or maybe the icon representing a component is blue or dark yellow, as long as I SEE that icon at the same place across all new releases. Lazarus and Delphi achieved the same goal. This is, for instance, one of my major blames against Micro$oft. On every new release I've to loose time just to find where those crazy people disguise the well known function in previous version. That's also the major reason why I love Linux. I use the same Linux dialect for almost 10 years and nothing changed (except new features) neither in install process nor in the graphical interface (OpenSuse & Xfce). I'm not interested on what the GUI looks like as far as it works fine. Being a Linus and a Wind$ws user and developer, I highly apreciate how close the IDEs are in Linux and Windo$ws. This is also highly productive.

Xirax Xirax proposal could maybe lead to have a nice GUI for the IDE: useless for me and development time lost. As a developer I prefer to focus on efficiency rather than on beauty. The last needs guys (or girls) having some artistic skills. I have none.

Thanks to you all guys.

Antonio.

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As I think mail list probably is not a good place for asking like this question becuase every one specialy developer dont like changing in how something look in first place even me.
Dear Mr Fortuny you are right but consdir that new developers come half century after you and they have different taste. Martin as I want in the first email I just need to talk with pereviouse designer and talking about design and maybe get old full resolution design resource like logo. so if you know he tell me and if not I will go for it and send you result so you and other team member can discuss about it.

I dont know who designed them in first. They already existed before I joined (in 2008).

AFAIK All the artwork we have is in SVN. If any was deleted, then the logs show it, and an earlier revision can still be checked out.

As for the icons, as they were most recently changed, maybe someone remembers who did the artwork? All the people in question are on this list, so if anyone knows they will be here. Yet keep in mind, people may be busy with other stuff. Answers can take a few weeks. If no answer comes, then no one will know...

Example splash. In the image folder

splash_logo.png - current - committed 2007, by Marc - He is on this list, so if he did it or remembers who gave it to him, he will answer.

splash_logo.xpm - older version - committed in 2002 - dont know who (maybe Mattias).

The current splash was proposed by S?rgio Marcelo in the end of 2007 on IRC. While on IRC Paul, Mattias and I discussed the splash and I had contact with him to provide licence free images.
The cheetah is converted to SVG by me based on a free picture The column is also vectorized by me.
From these images S?rgio made the splash. IIRC we never received the gimp source of the image.

Later Laurent made a SVG copy of the image (I still have the copy). Since it is not the origial it is iirc not in svn.

After this, Laurent started to update all the toolbar images, made them more uniform and gave them the blueish look.

From the splash logo, someone once provided the round pawn button icon. And later someone ale came up with the gear like icon.

AFAIK All the artwork we have is in SVN. If any was deleted, then the logs show it, and an earlier revision can still be checked out.

Correct.

As for the icons, as they were most recently changed, maybe someone remembers who did the artwork?

See above.

Ahh... that one... I thought the orange one.

I guess this image was put together by Michael A. Hess. Around that time he had setup a new lazarus website, which had the same features. I cannot find any mail about it.

Marc

Juha Manninen wrote

For some people the splash-screen is a "bigger than life" question.

[my 2c worth]

I don't give a hoot about the splash screen image. What would be an improvement is if the IDE [or any application for that matter] starts up so fast that a splash screen isn't the point of a splash screen? The idea came about because a application starts up so damn slow, they have to show the user something immediately, otherwise they might think nothing is happening and might double click the program icon again.

MSEide is a good example of an IDE that starts up so fast, it simply doesn't need a splash screen. Can't all applications be made like that. ;-)

ps:
At least Lazarus IDE is miles ahead of Delphi IDE. G*d that application starts up slow, even on my beefy i7 3770K system.

Regards,
- Graeme -

Il 06/05/2015 23:36, Graeme Geldenhuys ha scritto:

At least Lazarus IDE is miles ahead of Delphi IDE. G*d that application starts up slow, even on my beefy i7 3770K system.

Sorry if I'm completely OT, but did you try to TURN OFFF hyperthreading on your I7?
After some reading around, trying to figure out why the I7 I was validating for our equipments wasn't as fast as I would have expected, I discovered that HT, unless you have an application specially designed for HT (i.e. almost no application in the world), dramatically increases the amount of cache misses, providing as a result a performance loss instead of a performance gain!
I just disabled HT from BIOS, and the poor 10ms of my benchmark became 5ms! Of course it depends on applications, but it's worth a try. Just my 2 c

Giuliano

[...] I don't give a hoot about the splash screen image. What would be an improvement is if the IDE [or any application for that matter] starts up so fast that a splash screen isn't a fast system the IDE starts in half a second.

The startup speed heavily depends on disk speed, scanners and installed packages.

Mattias

Thank you Marc and Martin.
Marc your answer is what I want so I will work on it in free time and contact you if I have something worth to publish.

Have a good day.

I'd like to recommend you to STRIP and UPX executables under Windows.

Initial executables size:
lazarus.exe 170859359 bytes (*)
lazbuild.exe 52797635 bytes
startlazarus.exe 15897492 bytes

after STRIP and UPX:
lazarus.exe 4093952 bytes (*)
lazbuild.exe 1653760 bytes
startlazarus.exe 1653760 bytes

executables size is reduced to:
lazarus.exe 2% of the original size
lazbuild.exe 3% of the original size
startlazarus.exe 10% of the original size

...and Lazarus (*) starts as a real cheetah! :)

Just my 2 cents.

Sandro

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2015-05-07 17:54 GMT+02:00 Sandro Cumerlato :

Some anti-virus software consider UPXed executables as potentially dangerous. So while this idea often works, I suggest it is better left as an option to the users.

Sorry Frederic for the misunderstanding, my suggestion was intended only for personal usage and not for the official distribution of Lazarus.

Thinking about it better, it could be a good idea perform a VirusTotal check of UPXed executable before releasing a new version of the software.

Sandro

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Lukasz Sokol wrote

You are consistently: - top posting (please don't unless you have a good reason like need to use of screen reader)

Lukasz, here is a good response that explains the issue clearly (screen reader exception applies).

A: Yes.

Q: Are you sure? > A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > > Q: Why is top posting annoying in email?

:-)

Regards,
- Graeme -

Good one !

Regards,
Ara

Hi Graeme,

Cool although it must be noted I prefer to hand-craft my top-posting warnings ;)

It gets them* to gtfo what top-posting means :) and there is no knowledge like having gtfo'd something by oneself ;)

*hopefully

Regards, - Graeme -

Kind Regards

Lukasz