There is a new feature for reordering tabs and components in the component palette. See "Component palette" in environment options. Please test but don't open bug reports yet. The feature is under heavy development and still has known issues.
One issue is that the tabs show in reverse order sometimes after closing the settings window.
D'n'd does not work reliably with all widgetsets. I will add buttons.

Comments are welcome but bug reports not yet.

Regards,
Juha

How to set item height in ListView?
I added :

  ComponentsListView.SmallImages := IDEImages.Images_24;

in the settings GUI and somehow the height is now correct on Windows but on Linux with GTK2 or with QT it is too low. Parts of icons are cut off.

Juha

Open an issue about it. Qt will be easy to fix, not sure about gtk2.

zeljko

Hello Juha,
If its possible, can you fix this issue too? I can not click to up button. Kubuntu 14.04x64, last svn and QT widgetset

This picture from first run IDE. After change tab to any other tab , space is been normal between icons. My IDE's main window not maximize or full width of screensize. it's width, smalled then default width.

Thank you.

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FreeMan wrote

Hello Juha, If its possible, can you fix this issue too? I can not click to up button. Kubuntu 14.04x64, last svn and QT widgetset

It may be fixed already.
I did not see the large gap between icons but I saw the wrong order of tabs. After my last bug fixes I could not reproduce that any more. So, first load the latest sources, build Lazarus, close it, then remove completely the section
<ComponentPaletteOptions> ... </ComponentPaletteOptions> from ~/.lazarus/environmentoptions.xml.
Then start Lazarus and test the palette options again. Tell me what happened.

Juha
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Hello,

<ComponentPaletteOptions> ... </ComponentPaletteOptions> from ~/.lazarus/environmentoptions.xml.

That tag not in there, looked for all files in my profile folder too. I updated to r46868
Reopen IDE and result is same. I open IDE options, then "Open last project at start" to Unchecked and Click ok. Re start IDE now ComponentPalette showing normally, icon space and tab order is okey now. but <ComponentPaletteOptions> still not there I'm not change palette options before and now.

While testing I found funny bug
Open IDE, Select the last tab of palette, open IDE options, just click ok without any changeing. and tab order reversed, last tab been first tab, first tab been last tab
Retart IDE, Standart tab is first tab and other tab is normal order.

Restart IDE, ComponentPalette is normal order and icon spaces, I opened my project then Component Palette order changed, Its been on sended screenshot in before mail. between icon has space, tab orders changed. Thank you,

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lazarus svn r46872,
Component Palette order and icon space fixed. On Start IDE and after open project Component Palette order and space is normal now. But when open project, so much slow opening forms.

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But when open project, so much slow opening forms.

You can disable
Tools / Options / Form Editor / Open Designer on open unit

Mattias

The palette changes should not affect form loading speed. If it does then it must be fixed.
I did not notice any slowdown myself.
Are you sure the latest commits made the difference for you? Please test with Lazarus compiled before and after the changes. There may be some unoptimed linear searches but the effect should not be noticeable for human eye.

Juha
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For test I downgrade to r46870. I make and rebuild lazarus and test forms opening speed while opening project, and its normal timeing for me, mean fast. I add 4 more units, source editor has 7 units and forms in this test

? lazarus svn up -r46872
'.' g?ncelleniyor:
U ide/componentlist.pas
U ide/componentpalette.pas
U ide/frames/componentpalette_options.pas
U packager/addtopackagedlg.pas
U components/ideintf/componentreg.pas
46872 g?zden ge?irmesine g?ncellendi.

I can not say _so much_ slow, but I can say yes, r46872 is slower then r46870. r46878 is slower too. I wanna say one more time not "to much" but on my first mail, I wrote its so slow.
My all forms is inherited from my main form class. I don't know IDE form read mechanismhow work, just brain storm, for all each component, looking for search path and looking for dependence so can loose time for this. Maybe Component Palette any codes trigger read or write any property this controls.
just coincidence I found, RunTimeTypeInfoControls.lpk has "rttictrls.lrs" filename, but file not there.

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[...] just coincidence I found, RunTimeTypeInfoControls.lpk has "rttictrls.lrs" filename, but file not there.

Thanks for the hint. Fixed.

Mattias

I still cannot see any slowdowns when opening forms. Can anybody else see it?
I can also profile the code later but it is not a high priority.

Juha

P.S
I have also made an option to use CheckBoxes for Boolean values in Object Inspector.
Please check how it works.
This is not related to component palette though.
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Painting is not working properly under Windows. Look at the attachments.

Sandro
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Juha wrote (in another discussion):

P.S I have also made an option to use CheckBoxes for Boolean values in Object Inspector. Please check how it works.

I find this rather counter-intuitive.
If I have a checkbox that is not checked and the caption of it says "False" then I would assume that "False" is not checked. This how checkboxes generally work an how people understand them. IMO you are breaking wiht the general perception users have of how this GUI element works.
I would not expect that clicking on the checkbox would change it's caption to "True".

[X] True -> meaning is obvious
[ ] True -> suggests True is not selected, so value probably is False [ ] False -> Meaning is ambiguous, to say the least.

An analogy:
([ ] is the checkbox)

Save current settings: [ ] No

What does this mean?
If such a thing existed in a real program, you would probably see screenshots of it on http://thedailywtf.com/ <grin>

I would suggest to either remove the caption:
( | marks the vertical gridline in OI)
AutoSize | [ ]
KeyPreview | [X]

Or since only one value can ever be selected: use two radiobuttons (which would look rather ugly).

I still don't see why we cannot use a "read-only" combobox for these kinde of properties. The argument that you cannot copy the value anymore can easily be overcome.

Bart

Sandro Cumerlato wrote

Painting is not working properly under Windows. Look at the attachments.

Pease try commenting out the code I added in r46885. For me it makes no difference but I don't see the redraw errors either. You can try other experiments around that code, too.

There were serious redraw problems earlier but I thought I solved them by using AutoSize instead of SetBounds for CheckBox in r468850. See also issue:
http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=22347

BTW, did you notice a slowdown after my component palette changes?

Juha

Bart wrote

I find this rather counter-intuitive. If I have a checkbox that is not checked and the caption of it says "False" then I would assume that "False" is not checked.

It is a valid point, I did not think of it.

I would suggest to either remove the caption: ( | marks the vertical gridline in OI) AutoSize | [ ] KeyPreview | [X]

or it could be :
AutoSize | [ ] (means False)
KeyPreview | [X] (means True)

Or since only one value can ever be selected: use two radiobuttons (which would look rather ugly).

Ugly and counter-intuitive. A CheckBox is a perfect match for a Boolean. Something is either On or Off, True or False. That is what CheckBox was invented for.

I still don't see why we cannot use a "read-only" combobox for these kinde of properties. The argument that you cannot copy the value anymore can easily be overcome.

Yes, I committed such a change a long time ago but had to revert it due to the feedback I got.
I forgot what the reasons were exactly.
But still for Booleans CheckBox is superior to ComboBox, see above.

Juha

[...] [X] True -> meaning is obvious [ ] True -> suggests True is not selected, so value probably is False [ ] False -> Meaning is ambiguous, to say the least.

+1

I still don't see why we cannot use a "read-only" combobox for these kinde of properties. The argument that you cannot copy the value anymore can easily be overcome.

AFAIK this argument is for enums, not for boolean.

Mattias

[...] Ugly and counter-intuitive. A CheckBox is a perfect match for a Boolean. Something is either On or Off, True or False. That is what CheckBox was invented for.

Don't forget multi selection.

Mattias

Attached patch solves CheckBox panting issue.

P.S.: CheckBox is not yet aligned correctly if corresponding row is selected.

Sandro

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--- components/ideintf/objectinspector.pp	(revisione 46885)
+++ components/ideintf/objectinspector.pp	(copia locale)
@@ -2632,9 +2632,6 @@
         begin
           FCurrentEdit.Top := EditCompRect.Top;
           FCurrentEdit.Left := EditCompRect.Left;
-          // For testing: Try to prevent redraw errors in some Windows machines.
-          //Canvas.Brush.Color := FBackgroundColor;
-          //Canvas.FillRect(EditCompRect);
         end
         else
           FCurrentEdit.BoundsRect:=EditCompRect;
@@ -2673,9 +2670,6 @@
     begin
       if Assigned(FCurrentButton) and (FCurrentButton.Visible) then
         Dec(FullRect.Right, FCurrentButton.Width);
-
-      if Assigned(FCurrentEdit) and (FCurrentEdit.Visible) then
-        Dec(FullRect.Right, FCurrentEdit.Width);
     end;
   end;

Sandro Cumerlato wrote

Attached patch solves CheckBox panting issue.

Applied, thanks. You are clever, I did not notice that one.

P.S.: CheckBox is not yet aligned correctly if corresponding row is selected.

Aligned to what?
In fact there are 2 very different CheckBoxes now: a real one and a fake one. The real one is shown on the selected row. The fake one is drawn everywhere else using theme services.

Juha

For cosmatic, Unselected line's, need 1 or pixel move to up for draw square lines. And can draw border lines like other lines. I get this screenshot in QT and linux x64(kubuntu)

If I were you, change subject, before someone scold.

Juha Manninen wrote

Aligned to what? In fact there are 2 very different CheckBoxes now: a real one and a fake one. The real one is shown on the selected row. The fake one is drawn everywhere else using theme services. Juha --

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This is not too much important for me, My project open in a just second, problem can be on my system, Just I let you know, can be some property triggered, so I wrote.
Sorry for didn't say before, this job is good. Long time ago I was think this. And I thinked, usually programmer use less then 10 component, (Tlabel, Tedit etc.) First Component palette tab can favorite components, can Clone icon's on this tab from option via drag drop, this just idea
Thank you

Juha Manninen wrote

I still cannot see any slowdowns when opening forms. Can anybody else see it? I can also profile the code later but it is not a high priority.

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Mattias Gaertner

Don't forget multi selection.

Damn, I did forget it.
Maybe tbCheckBoxCheckedDisabled themed box can be used for a mixed state. I will study the relevant code but not very soon ...

What shoud we do with the text part? No text at all or some other text? Delphi has a strange hybrid control there with both a CheckBox and a ComboBox. I don't like it personally. There is no need for a ComboBox when there is a CheckBox.

Juha

FreeMan wrote

Sorry for didn't say before, this job is good.

Thanks.

Long time ago I was think this. And I thinked, usually programmer use less then 10 component, (Tlabel, Tedit etc.) First Component palette tab can favorite components, can Clone icon's on this tab from option via drag drop, this just idea

The GUI is not finished yet but you can already create your favorite tab and drag the components there.
That is the whole idea of this feature.

I have more ideas for the future. There could be pre-configured and user configured component layouts to choose from.
The current tab names and component placements are not logical. "Common Controls" comes from Delphi's COM-wrapper components which makes no sense in a cross-platform system.
"Standard", what does it mean? All LCL components are standard IMO. "Addional" or "Misc" do not mean anything.
Why the buttons and edit-controls are divided between Standard and Additional? Maybe there should be tabs called "Buttons", "Edits", "Multi-line text", "Graphics" etc.

Juha

How about

[ ] Boolean:(False)
[x] Boolean:(True)

kind of text ?

And on Copy/Paste, only the False/True shall go to / from clipboard somehow ?

[...]

Juha

FreeMan wrote

For cosmatic, Unselected line's, need 1 or pixel move to up for draw square lines. And can draw border lines like other lines. I get this screenshot in QT and linux x64(kubuntu)

Ok, I see. I also coded this feature on Mint Linux + KDE with QT but our desktop theme or something must be different.
For me the alignment looked ok there and also on Windows, although on Windows the LCL theme service draws too small boxes. The alignment must be calculated dynamically. Theme service already returns the size, the location can be derived from it.
Maybe someone creates a patch, I have other things to do in near future.

Juha
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I actually like this one. A sole box would look odd, with only empty space on its right side. There must be some text.

And on Copy/Paste, only the False/True shall go to / from clipboard somehow ?

You cannot copy/paste from a CheckBox and besides there is no need to copy/paste boolean values really.

Juha
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I actually like this one. A sole box would look odd, with only empty space

on its right side. There must be some text.

I agree, text can also be clicked to change the value easily.

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Please review attached patch (commented-out code seems not needed).

Alignment is better on Windows now: checkboxes are vertically aligned now, only text left position is different.

Sandro
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--- components/ideintf/objectinspector.pp	(revisione 46889)
+++ components/ideintf/objectinspector.pp	(copia locale)
@@ -2622,21 +2622,18 @@
     if FCurrentEditnil then
     begin
       // resize the edit component
-      Dec(EditCompRect.Left);
-      Dec(EditCompRect.Top);
-      Inc(EditCompRect.Bottom);
+      if (FCurrentEdit is TEdit) or (FCurrentEdit is TComboBox) then
+      begin
+        Dec(EditCompRect.Left);
+        Dec(EditCompRect.Top);
+        Inc(EditCompRect.Bottom);
+      end;
       //debugln('TOICustomPropertyGrid.AlignEditComponents A ',dbgsName(FCurrentEdit),' ',dbgs(EditCompRect));
       if not CompareTopLeft(FCurrentEdit.BoundsRect,EditCompRect) then
       begin
-        if FCurrentEdit is TCheckBox then
-        begin
-          FCurrentEdit.Top := EditCompRect.Top;
-          FCurrentEdit.Left := EditCompRect.Left;
-        end
-        else
-          FCurrentEdit.BoundsRect:=EditCompRect;
-        if FCurrentEdit is TComboBox then
-          TComboBox(FCurrentEdit).ItemHeight:=EditCompRect.Bottom-EditCompRect.Top-6;
+        FCurrentEdit.BoundsRect:=EditCompRect;
+//        if FCurrentEdit is TComboBox then
+//          TComboBox(FCurrentEdit).ItemHeight:=EditCompRect.Bottom-EditCompRect.Top-6;
         FCurrentEdit.Invalidate;
       end;
     end;
@@ -2690,7 +2687,7 @@
   else
   begin
     inc(NameIconRect.Right, 2 + Ord(ShowGutter));
-    inc(NameTextRect.Left,  3 + Ord(ShowGutter));
+    inc(NameTextRect.Left, 3 + Ord(ShowGutter));
   end;

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ComponentPalette is refreshed everytime when IDE Options window is closed clicking the OK button. It should refresh only if something has been modified.

Sandro

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I took a look around with google:

- JForm Designer and eclipse/WindowBuilder - CheckBox for each boolean property (as lazarus now, not confusing me)
Property1 [ ] False
Property2 [X] True

-NetBeans IDE - CheckBox without caption for each boolean property Property1 [ ]
Property2 [X]

- Komodo's GUI Builder - Two RadioButtons with caption per property Property1 ( ) False (*) True
Property2 ( ) False (*) True

I vote for CheckBoxes without caption. For easier access a mouse click in the field of it may change its state.

2014-11-19 18:43 keltez?ssel, Sandro Cumerlato ?rta:

Sandro Cumerlato wrote

Please review attached patch (commented-out code seems not needed).

Applied, thanks.

Juha

P?ter G?bor wrote

I vote for CheckBoxes without caption. For easier access a mouse click in the field of it may change its state.

This is difficult in practice. We could create code to change the state when you click anywhere on the field, but it would change too easily then. Other editors are only selected when clicked.
We could also replace the text with a string of spaces (' ') to make a shorter click-area but then there is no visual indication of where the click-area ends. Not good.

One option is to use parentheses around the values, '(True)' and '(False)'. Even the current values look good to me. Their meaning becomes obvious after clicking them a few times.

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It would be nice to have a "framed" checkbox, look at the attachment rendered image, the entire area should respond to mouse click.

Sandro

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Sorry Sandro, Still not work on my system QT linux and I add one more problem :S

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It would be nice to have a "framed" checkbox, look at the attachment rendered image, the entire area should respond to mouse click.

I am not so sure about that. I always felt that 3d controls meant that user interaction was allowed while 2d controls were not editable. Your boxed checkbox is 2d...

2014-11-19 21:02 keltez?ssel, Juha Manninen ?rta:

Other editors are only selected when clicked.

Yes, I mentioned them because of the design style only.

One option is to use parentheses around the values, '(True)' and '(False)'.

This would be a good looking and easily understandable solution if you want some text beside the CheckBox.

I confirm that CheckBox are not displayed within subitems.

Cannot test the QT widgetset, sorry.

Sandro

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Not so...

There are CheckBoxes for all Boolean type properties also in subitems, but not for elements of SET type properties because they are not Booleans (see my attachment). They are only represented as Boolean values in the ObjectInspector.
But I agree: they may be better with CheckBoxes like Booleans...

2014-11-20 09:08 keltez?ssel, Sandro Cumerlato ?rta:

Yes you write, Thats set type but OI show boolean combobox, This mean not imposible :) just need time and write some code.

FreeMan wrote

Yes you write, Thats set type but OI show boolean combobox, This mean not imposible :) just need time and write some code.

Yes, the sets should have CheckBoxes, too.
Fortunately nothing is broken and the GUI still works. I will look at it after some more urgent things.

Juha

Sandro Cumerlato wrote

It would be nice to have a "framed" checkbox, look at the attachment rendered image, the entire area should respond to mouse click.

It requires a custom drawn CheckBox, the standard one cannot do that. I know you are good in making custom drawn components, you can implement it if you like.
If 3d effect is needed as Frederic wrote, it can be added.

This is parallel with the idea from P?ter G?bor, except that the component has a distinctive area for clicking. It would be only selected when clicked first time, the state would change only when clicking a selected row.
Clicking the exact box anywhere would also change state just like it does now.

Juha

2014-11-20 14:28 GMT+01:00 Juha Manninen :

If 3d effect is needed as Frederic wrote, it can be added.

My point of view may be old school :-) But I feel that controls should in some way visually hint if they are editable or not. In software which ignore this, the only way to check if a control is editable or not is to click on it. And sometimes clicking on a control can have irreversible consequences. In old Windows versions, this was achieved using 2D/3D, but newer versions of Windows (I have not checked the Microsoft recommendations for years) could use another clue (rounded/square angles, color...). Anyhow, Sandro's design definitely suggests to me that the checkbox is non-editable.

I can understand you, you have a huge todo list.
What will you do for r46890? I can not use that patch, 'cos I can not use color combobox in OI, when I update my svn, have to I check this file ? and remove that codes?

FreeMan wrote

What will you do for r46890? I can not use that patch, 'cos I can not use color combobox in OI, when I update my svn, have to I check this file ? and remove that codes?

I cannot reproduce your problem. However I am not at my development machine and I cannot test with QT now. Can somebody else reproduce?

The patch commented out these lines:

//        if FCurrentEdit is TComboBox then
//          TComboBox(FCurrentEdit).ItemHeight:=EditCompRect.Bottom-EditCompRect.Top-6;

You can try if uncommenting them helps.
If not then you can do other experiments with the same code block. It has only few lines.

Juha

The color editor problem can be somehow related to this one : http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=23145

It happened when the comboboxes were made read-only. If somebody can figure out the reason, great.

Juha
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Very nice idea, I don't think following Borland's weird convention (there some compatibility issues in commctl32 history but I seriously doubt anybody ever avoided using the controls because of this...) forever is beneficial.

BTW don't you like the "integrated find" feature, like in e.g. kzdesktop?

Best regards,
Fl?vio

Fl?vio Etrusco wrote

BTW don't you like the "integrated find" feature, like in e.g. kzdesktop?

How does it work? I have not used kzdesktop?
We have the Component List (Ctrl-Alt-P) which has a filter.

Juha

If anybody has problems installing packages or similar, please remove <ComponentPaletteOptions> ... </ComponentPaletteOptions> section from local environmentoptions.xml.
The component palette related code was broken for some days last week and may have corrupted the config.

If packages and their components install fine then no worries.

Reordering components inside a tab does not work yet. I will look at it later. Otherwise it looks rather good IMO.

Juha

Sure, it provides the same feature as component list, just quicker ;-)

http://imagebin.ca/v/1i0jPibZYb26
http://imagebin.ca/v/1i0jk0qNCcze

Thank you, uncommenting resolve my problem.

My idea is, Component list is useful then kzdestop's. Maybe need some improve, in "inheritance" tab, Treeview's lines can show, and founded component name's node can colored so much readable.

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FreeMan wrote

Thank you, uncommenting resolve my problem.

Without those lines indeed Lazarus built with QT crashes when Color combobox list is opened.
Why does it happen?
I returned the code in r46966.

Juha

I cannot test the QT widgetset, sorry, but I would suggest attached patch instead.

Sandro
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Index: components/ideintf/objectinspector.pp
===================================================================
--- components/ideintf/objectinspector.pp	(revisione 46968)
+++ components/ideintf/objectinspector.pp	(copia locale)
@@ -942,6 +942,7 @@
     AutoSize:=false;
     SetBounds(0,-30,Width,Height); // hidden
     DropDownCount:=20;
+    ItemHeight:=17;
     Parent:=Self;
     OnMouseDown := @ValueControlMouseDown;
     OnMouseMove := @ValueControlMouseMove;
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       if not CompareTopLeft(FCurrentEdit.BoundsRect,EditCompRect) then
       begin
         FCurrentEdit.BoundsRect:=EditCompRect;
-        // If ItemHeight is not set, Lazarus built with QT crashes
-        //  when Color combobox list is opened. Why is that?
-        if FCurrentEdit is TComboBox then
-          TComboBox(FCurrentEdit).ItemHeight:=EditCompRect.Bottom-EditCompRect.Top-6;
-        //
         FCurrentEdit.Invalidate;
       end;
     end;

Sandro Cumerlato wrote

I cannot test the QT widgetset, sorry, but I would suggest attached patch instead.

Applied, thanks.

Juha

Thank you Sandor & Juha, In Linux QT widgetset, color combobox is working now. But we forget real problem :)

Chekbox's square lines need to 1 or 2 pixcel more to up, if row not selected. (if ARow FItemIndex then)

Sandro Cumerlato wrote

I cannot test the QT widgetset, sorry, but I would suggest attached patch instead. Sandro

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This is not Linux-Qt related, this is Oxygen related. Other themes work OK. Hardcoding 1 or 2 pixels is IMO not good idea, it may cause troubles elsewhere. I tested ThemeServices.GetDetailSize and it gives the same output for tbCheckBoxCheckedDisabled, tbCheckBoxCheckedNormal and tbCheckBoxCheckedHot (or ..Unchecked... variants).

This code:

procedure TForm1.Button1Click(Sender: TObject);
var aDetail: TThemedElementDetails;
 aRect: TRect;
 aSize: TSize;
begin
 aDetail:=ThemeServices.GetElementDetails(tbCheckBoxUncheckedNormal);
 aSize:=ThemeServices.GetDetailSize(aDetail);
 aRect:=Rect(5, 5, 5+aSize.cx, 5+aSize.cy);
 writeln('Inactive ', aSize.cy);
 ThemeServices.DrawElement(Image1.Canvas.Handle, aDetail, aRect);
 aDetail:=ThemeServices.GetElementDetails(tbCheckBoxCheckedHot);
 aSize:=ThemeServices.GetDetailSize(aDetail);
 aRect:=Rect(25, 5, 25+aSize.cx, 5+aSize.cy);
 writeln('Focused ', aSize.cy);
 ThemeServices.DrawElement(Image1.Canvas.Handle, aDetail, aRect);
end;

gives output

Inactive 21
Focused 21

and paint checkboxes (see attachment).

However, I didn't see code of OICheckBoxes, so I cannot say where is problem.

Vojt?ch

IMO, problem is that OI checkboxes height is hardcoded.

zeljko

I don't have such problems with Lazarus built with QT bindings. I have Mint Linux 17 with KDE, so it has QT everywhere.
I attach screenshots of QT, GTK2 and Windows bindings. QT is the only one here that shows identical location and size for the selected (real) checkbox and the non-selected (drawn by theme-services) one. GTK2 version has a horizontal alignment problem, Windows is aligned correctly but the box sizes differ.
The Windows version is 7. The difference in box sizes does not really bother, it only emphasizes the selected one.
The alignment erros however do bother, they are clearly visual errors. I think most of the boxes are too much left, even the ones that are equal between selected and non-selected.

I need help with this issue. I don't know much about theme services or graphics. We need a solution that works everywhere. Maybe you could look at the code. Does your desktop theme affect? Do you have Ubuntu Unity? It is known to be problematic.

See procedure TBoolPropertyEditor.PropDrawValue in unit components/ideintf/propedits.pp.
Implemented in r46881.

Regards,
Juha
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I found one more issue with Linux-Qt. This one is not Oxygen related. When the row in OI is selected, Caption is written 1 or 2 pixels higher than in non selected row. The checkbox itself is OK.

Vojt?ch

zeljko wrote

IMO, problem is that OI checkboxes height is hardcoded.

No, I have changed it to use AutoSize instead. It partially solved the serious redraw issue on Windows.
See issue
http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=22347
and r46880.

Regards,
Juha

Vojt?ch ?ih?k wrote

This is not Linux-Qt related, this is Oxygen related. Other themes work OK. Hardcoding 1 or 2 pixels is IMO not good idea, it may cause troubles elsewhere. [...]

It is good to have somebody who understands the issue. :)

However, I didn't see code of OICheckBoxes, so I cannot say where is problem.

procedure TBoolPropertyEditor.PropDrawValue in unit components/ideintf/propedits.pp.
Implemented in r46881.

Regards,
Juha

IMO this is not from themes, I tested more in 4 themes. I'm use "air for netbooks" I tested in "air", "oxygen" "Tibanna" and I forget names more two, I deleted. viewing not changed.Always non selected row's square lines 1-2 pixcels down, but text is normal. I tested in "Windows decoration"(My kubuntu is Turkis so maybe translate not good) result not changed.

IMO, problem is, when focused, drawing blue lines after square lines. for effect for focusing. This drawing second blue square lines not calculate on non focused. this effect, moves text to left - right too.

I attach my solution, this is work on my system, need test others. need some improve, text flicking still.

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FreeMan wrote

I attach my solution, this is work on my system, need test others. need some improve, text flicking still.

I guess you did not debug your patch anyhow.
The condition is never true, commenting out the Inc() line causes the same effect, and that makes the layout wrong in my 's see what the more knowledgeable people like Vojtech and Sandro say.

Juha

Hi,
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Do I understand correctly that currently
- unselected row paints checkbox + caption via themes, while
- selected row is regular TCheckBox ?
?
If so, then it will never work properly.
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Vojt?ch

I suggest to look in graphpropedits.pas. IMHO TBoolPropertyEditor should be moved into this file.

Sandro

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I suggest to look in graphpropedits.pas. IMHO TBoolPropertyEditor should be moved into this file.

Huh?

Abstract:
This unit defines the property editors for graphic types.

Mattias

Juha Manninen wrote

One option is to use parentheses around the values, '(True)' and '(False)'.

I implemented this one in r46989. It is kind of a compromise between the ideas. What do you think?

Juha

How to do debug this, In IDE ?

Juha Manninen wrote

I guess you did not debug your patch anyhow.

Sorry I did debug, Yes you right "AState: TPropEditDrawState" Astate no value? I usually, check parameter, if its set, check all items. I sawed pedsSelected and pedsFocused and I thinked its work, but no ?

FreeMan wrote

How to do debug this, In IDE ? On 25-11-2014 18:47, Juha Manninen wrote: > I guess you did not debug your patch anyhow.

FreeMan wrote

How to do debug this, In IDE ?

There are at least 3 ways to debug Lazarus IDE.
1. Call DebugLn, the output can be seen in the same console you started Lazarus from (./lazarus).
2. Use command line GDB.
3. Inside Lazarus run project lazarus.lpi. It will open another instance of Lazarus which you can then debug. Be careful about which window belongs to which instance.

In this particular case you can also put "raise exception.create()" after your condition to see if it ever gets triggered. It does not.

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Vojt?ch ?ih?k wrote

If so, then it will never work properly.

It may never be perfect but it can be very close.
I wrapped my mind around this issue last night and improved it a lot. Please test.

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Thank you Juha, been good job.
I tested in kubuntu 14.04, QT widgetset, lazarus r46991 checkbox square not dancing now :) but text comes 2 pixcels to left when row selected.

FreeMan wrote

Thank you Juha, been good job. I tested in kubuntu 14.04, QT widgetset, lazarus r46991 checkbox square not dancing now :) but text comes 2 pixcels to left when row selected.

This is a difficult one. The left position depends on widgetset and theme etc. I don't know if there is any way to get the real value. Now I have made a compromise which I believe looks good more often than the other values would. I already had that value earlier as a IFDEF hack for GTK2.
Please test.

Juha

I tested r46993. Square Top is okey, I mean selected and Unselected row is okey, not moving.
But left margins, Squares and text move together, left and right. They been couple dancer now :)

I'm writing Just let you know, I'm NOT telling fix this. Please don't miss understand me.

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I considered other solution. Create a new simple visual component (TCheckBoxThemed or so). It will have class method: class procedure PaintSelf(ACanvas: TCanvas; AChecked: Boolean); ?
used for non-selected rows and it will behave like normal checkbox in selected rows. I will guarantee the same look without bunch of {$IFDEF}s. ?
The component would be TCustomControl derived, with very basic functionality (click, keydown, bidimode, property Checked). I guess 300 lines incl. declaration.?

Vojt?ch ?ih?k wrote

I considered other solution. Create a new simple visual component (TCheckBoxThemed or so). It will have class method: class procedure PaintSelf(ACanvas: TCanvas; AChecked: Boolean);

TCheckBoxEx (like we have TComboBoxEx) could the also implement Alignment: TLeftRight for all widgetsets (currently only Windows natively supports it), see
http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=12343

Bart

Ok, the class paint method allows drawing non-active checkboxes without an overhead.
It is a good idea. Sandro Cumerlato was planning for something similar, a white background and clicking anywhere on a selected row would change the state.
Please communicate with him if you plan to implement it. You both are custom component wizards.

Lazarus 1.4 will be forked soon (1-2 months). A realistic plan is to leave the current checkbox there for 1.4 and put the new one in trunk. The current solution works well, too.

Bart, we must do custom painting without widgetset overhead for the non-selected rows in OI. There can be tens of published booleans in a component and OI must be snappy.

Juha
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2014-11-27 0:20 GMT+01:00 Juha Manninen :

Hmm, would such a control be screen-reader friendly?

Hi,
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what does it mean?

2014-11-27 11:43 GMT+01:00 Vojt?ch ?ih?k :

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_reader . Screen readers allow blind or visually impaired users to use computers. In order to work, screen readers must "know" what a control is, in order to be able to speak or display in braille what is going on. In our specific situation, a screen reader would need to know that TCheckBoxThemed is a checkbox. I guess that the screen reader wouldn't need to be able to distinguish the new TCheckBoxThemed
from a standard checkbox, pixel-level alignment considerations are usually not very significant to blind users.

I see 2 ways to achieve this:
- either TCheckBoxThemed is derived the standard Windows checkbox in such a way that the screen reader will directly "see" and interpret the standard control
- or TCheckBoxThemed is a brand new control created from scratch, which means a blind user would have to "teach" his screen reader that this new control is a check box (if the screen reader offers such a functionality). Obviously, this second solution isn't as good as the first one.

I don't know how screen-reader-friendly is the LCL's TCheckbox, using it to derive TCheckBoxThemed could be a good solution or not.

I don't have or use any screen reader software, but I know at least one (NVDA) which I could install to check on Windows. Because screen readers use quite different methods for gathering information, any tests I would do with NVDA would not necessarily apply to other software or OS.

I don't know how screen-reader-friendly is the LCL's TCheckbox, using it to derive TCheckBoxThemed could be a good solution or not.

Frederic, you apparently don't know how LCL components work. They bind into native widgets. In case of Windows it means Windows GUI controls. It means the screen reader support and all comes as an automatic bonus. You suggested that a checkbox be derived directly from standard Windows checkbox. Obviously it is not possible because this is a cross-platform system.

A custom drawn widget library must implement screen reader support by itself. Now Object Inspector uses LCL's TCheckbox on the selected row. I guess it is screen-reader friendly then.
The new planned custom drawn control may indeed break it. The support must be implemented somehow but I have no idea how.

Juha

Juha Manninen wrote

It means the screen reader support and all comes as an automatic bonus.

Well, well, more or less. Depends on the platform. You still need a lot of tweaking at least in Cocoa/Carbon for it to be usable, even using native controls.

The new planned custom drawn control may indeed break it. The support must be implemented somehow but I have no idea how.

Use this: http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/LCL_Accessibility

OK, I'm starting tp implement it. I will reuse as much code as possible from my TECSwitch (not deriving, but just Copy-Paste) because it is, in fact, custom drawn checkbox too. I will add property Alignment as proposed from Bart and class method for self-painting for OI purposes. No idea about "screen reader" funcionality yet.
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Vojt?ch?

2014-11-27 12:53 GMT+01:00 Juha Manninen :

That's how it is supposed to work. But I remember that Delphi controls were based on Windows controls too, but they weren't recognized by at least one screen reader. But this may be this specific screen reader's fault, which maybe did not gather information using the Microsoft recommended method.

You suggested that a checkbox be derived directly from standard Windows checkbox. Obviously it is not possible because this is a cross-platform system.

Yes, of course, I forgot about that :-P

This particular situation is what I was trying to draw attention to :-)

Hello,
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TCheckBoxThemed is done:
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http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=27106?
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Currently it installs to LazControls.
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As proposed, it has:
- property Alignment;
- public class method PaintSelf capable to paint checkbox without instance the rest is the same as TCheckBox.?
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No idea about accessibility, I only added
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Vojt?ch

Frederic Da Vitoria wrote

That's how it is supposed to work. But I remember that Delphi controls were based on Windows controls too, but they weren't recognized by at least one screen reader. But this may be this specific screen reader's fault, which maybe did not gather information using the Microsoft recommended method.

Yes, there may be issues which I do not know about. Felipe knows this topic best.
Sometimes lots of glue code is needed between LCL component and the widgetset which makes them partly custom drawn components. I thought a Checkbox is an easy one but maybe not.

I plan to commit the new component from Vojt?ch ?ih?k and use it in Object Inspector Boolean editor, but initially enclosed in IFDEFs as an alternative for the current TCheckBox.
Frederic Da Vitoria, can you later test accessibility related issues? I think they are important.

Juha

2014-11-29 15:35 GMT+01:00 Juha Manninen :

I'll try to. It has been a long time since I ran this software, but I have a friend who is still using it sometimes, he should be able to help me.

Vojt?ch ?ih?k wrote

TCheckBoxThemed is done:

I added it to LazControls package. Thanks.
Would you like to implement the Boolean editor using your component? Otherwise it will take time as I have other duties in near future. It should be selectable with an IFDEF, UseCheckboxThemed or similar. Object Inspector is in IDEIntf package which already has LazControls as a dependency.

Juha
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I'll try it next week.
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Vojt?ch?

Thank you Vojt?ch for the TCheckBoxThemed component.

I tested it under Windows 8.1 and found a small difference in Caption vertical position.

Please compare attached images checkboxthemed1.png (before patch) vs checkboxthemed2.png (after patch) and review attached diff file.

Please apply if OK under QT/GTK2.

Sandro

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=================================================================== --- components/lazcontrols/checkboxthemed.pas (revisione 47031) +++ components/lazcontrols/checkboxthemed.pas (copia locale) @@ -360,7 +360,7 @@

     if ARightToLeft then inc(aFlags, DT_RTLREADING);
     with ThemeServices.GetTextExtent(ACanvas.Handle, aDetails, ACaption, aFlags, nil) do begin
       aTextSize.cx := Right;

- aTextSize.cy := Bottom + 2 * cFocusBorder;
+ aTextSize.cy := Bottom;

     end;
     aCaptionPoint.Y := (ARect.Bottom - aTextSize.cy) div 2;
     aCheckBoxPoint.Y := (ARect.Bottom - CheckBoxSize.cy) div 2;

@@ -399,6 +399,8 @@
{ Paint FocusRect around Caption }

     if AFocused then begin
       dec(aHelpRect.Left, cFocusBorder);

+ dec(aHelpRect.Top, cFocusBorder);
+ inc(aHelpRect.Bottom, cFocusBorder);

       inc(aHelpRect.Right, cFocusBorder);
       LCLIntf.SetBkColor(ACanvas.Handle, ColorToRGB(clBtnFace));
       LCLIntf.DrawFocusRect(ACanvas.Handle, aHelpRect);

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It looks like flag DT_VCENTER does not work in Windows. ?
On the first look, patch is OK. I will test it in Linux soon.? ?
Vojt?ch?

I tested in kubuntu 14.04 qt. when TCheckBoxThemed is focused, it has underline, I added snapshot

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sure, but I'm not apply any patch. I just update svn. this snapshot on r47031. I can downgrade if you tell me svn version, and I can get snapshot

I use LCLIntf.DrawFocusRect(ACanvas.Handle, aHelpRect); to draw focus rectangle. So this underlining is oxygen focus rect, which is, OTOH, not used anywhere else - focused Oxygen checkboxes are like highlighted here. Thanks for reporting but I have no idea how to solve it. ?
Vojt?ch?
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Has a new problems, svn r47031 kubuntu 14.04 QT

1-) lazarus some main component's tabs is empty, "Data Control, laz control, ext, custom drawn" etc

2-) Select any tab different the first, Not use 'cos I can not track specific reason, selected tab been first (standard tab) not sure but my idea is palette rebuilding.

3-) I can not track reason, just move via next & prev buttons and click random tab, some times wait while clicking next page button, and not stop when last tabs showing, its continue. tab's names start standard and continue from last tab. like a loop. Just this drawed tabs is no icon all of theme is empty. and they have not "click to select palette page" button.
I can not snapshot 'cos jump to first tab and palettes been normal.

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Sandro, your patch works well here, I tested with Qt and GTK2. Maybe it should be reported that DT_VCENTER does not work on Windows. ?
Vojt?ch?

FreeMan wrote

Has a new problems, svn r47031 kubuntu 14.04 QT

You have a DataModule in your project. You also probably have a mouse movement stealing focus policy active in KDE.
When the DataModule gets focus, all pages are recreated. It needs optimization, see issue
http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=27103

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This reporting just let you know. If I'm not wrong, this new component for OI, and this underline problem can be a problem in OI. and I'm not using oxygen theme, I'm using "air for netbook" theme. This snapshot from system settings -> themes -> details tab
and translating "More" this chekbox is focused, but not underlined.

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Sorry for the bad news, its not JUST about DataModule, 'cos I tested in empty project, It has just TForm definitions, Just open IDE and check tabs, "Data control, ext etc" tabs has no components. and many components not showing, example: standard tab has 3 icons. TMainMenu, Tpopupmenu and TActionlist. this issue same in Component search form as well (ctrl+alt+P).

Then you have a corrupted configuration.
Go to environment options -> Component palette and click "Restore defauts". If there still is a problem, open "environmentoptions.xml" in your local configuration (~/.lazarus) and delete section <ComponentPaletteOptions> ... </ComponentPaletteOptions> completely if there is one.
If even that did not help then start Lazarus with clean configuration : "./lazarus --pcp=~/.laztest" or similar.

BTW, the 3 icons in standard tab are normal for a DataModule.

Juha

I wrote, open IDE and new application is started. just one TFORM I think problem is, while writing in "environmentoptions.xml" just writing visible items.

<ComponentPaletteOptions>
<ComponentPages Count="21">
<Page1 Value="_*Standard*_">
<*Components Count="_3_"*>
....
Delete this tag from xml, IDE is started and component palette is normal. Close IDE and restart, is normal. But No tag still in xml file.
- While IDE is open, just minimize and restore IDE from task bar, bingo components runaway :) ok, Close IDE and reopen, components are there. xml has no tag still.
- While component are there, open IDE options ->env. options. Component palette, "restore default" button is disable. everythink is normal.

here we go, Make a Minimize and restore IDE, components gone, Open IDE options and component palette options, "restore default" buton is still disable. don't change anythink click ok. If check in "environmentoptions.xml" <ComponentPaletteOptions> tag, there isn't there. close IDE and check one more, xml is flashed or write while IDE closing but just visible item infos, so next open IDE can't see, more then 3 for standard tab

<Page1 Value="_*Standard*_">
<*Components Count="_3_"*>

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I guess you have 21 pages in total. They are all saved in the configuration.

Delete this tag from xml, IDE is started and component palette is normal. Close IDE and restart, is normal. But No tag still in xml file.

Sounds good. The configuration only saves a difference between the current layout and the default layout after you have changed something in Environment -> Component Palette options.
~2 week ago the code may have saved configurations even if you did not change anything but that is history now.

- While IDE is open, just minimize and restore IDE from task bar, bingo components runaway :)

I cannot reproduce this one. Minimizing/restoring the IDE does not trigger component palette changes anyhow.
The only reason I can think of is that you have a DataModule which gets focus after restore.
DataModule does not change the palette configuration but it triggers a dynamic filtering so that only components that can be inserted in DataModule are visible.

ok, Close IDE and reopen, components are there. xml has no tag still. - While component are there, open IDE options ->env. options. Component palette, "restore default" button is disable. everythink is normal.

"Restore defaults" is disabled because there are no changes compared to defaults. See, the GUI is clever. :)

Do you mean the configuration file is written even you did not change anything in configuration GUI.
That sounds impossible.
Do you perhaps have a mixed or corrupted source repository? Please do:
$ svn up
$ svn diff
What does it say? If there are differences, please do: $ svn revert -R .
to get a clean source repo. Also do a clean build of Lazarus in any case.

Juha

Yes, I can reproduce with oxygen, probably Oxygen and Air are similar. However, I don't know how to solve it. My EC-Controls are affected too. Maybe draw dotted rectangle around with clBtnText color? ?
Vojt?ch?

FreeMan, did you get the paletti working? I am curious about what causes the problems.
There was an issue where the reporter got a filtered palette even when he did not select a DataModule.
http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=25224

Nobody could reproduce and it was resolved.
That was before my palette configuration changes. It is possible there is another problem unrelated to my changes.

Juha
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Do you perhaps have a mixed or corrupted source repository? Please do:

I did much better, I remove all lazarus files and redownload and remake (this killing my ssds lifes)

FreeMan, did you get the paletti working? I am curious about what causes the problems. There was an issue where the reporter got a filtered palette even when he did not select a DataModule.

I'm Turk and live in Turkiye, I think we are different timezone, and I have to do different things as well. if I'm not curious, I didn't write all detail while testing.

Tested in lazarus r47043 :
-Minimize and restore not changed palette. Can be old and trash codes. -In my project, has 2 TDatamodule, I can see onidle is work and refresh palette. Minimize and restore IDE not change palette, I mean work normal.

-My determination:
-Palette Redesign for TDatamodule and TForm, this is okey. This triggering _JUST_ focused form, not Editor file, not mouseonmove (work normal I mean) if change code editor tab, palette not change, when click F12 for form view or click to form (Tdatamodules or tform) palette work normal.
My determination bug:
1-when palette resetting, selected tab being "standard", my idea this is not good, no need to change selected tab.
2- exp: on TDamodule, "Data Control" tab has no component icon, son this tab can be hide.(suggestion)
3-TDatamodule is Active, "Standard" tab is selected and "*3*" component showing, this is normal for TDatamodule. NO <ComponentPaletteOptions> tag "environmentoptions.xml" Open IDE Option and click Ok just.
Chekc "environmentoptions.xml". NO
<ComponentPaletteOptions> tag
Close IDE.
Chekc "environmentoptions.xml". and see

*<ComponentPaletteOptions>**
**<ComponentPages Count="21">**
**<Page1 Value="Standard">**
**<Components Count="3">* <---- _why three? _ ....*
**</Page3>**
*
* <Page4 Value="Data Controls"/> <------ *_where is component's info ???__
_
* <Page5 Value="Misc">**
** <Components Count="6">*

the GUI is clever.

Sorry GUI not clever :) its a just code, But coderS are clever ;)

Do you mean the configuration file is written even you did not change anything in configuration GUI.

exactly _*YES*_. I tested this more then five. I wrote before, while writing, just visible components infos writing, and why IDE closing do this? can options changed flag name or control problem?

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2014-11-29 18:23 GMT+01:00 Frederic Da Vitoria :

Here are my results using NVDA 2014.4 on Windows 7 64 bits

Properties : NVDA doesn't announce the property names in the Object inspector. This is not related to the new checkboxes, but it may influence how corrections are prioritized. Because the property names are not told (sorry, I can't decide how this should be said in English: would one say something (name, property, label...) is enunciated, told, said, announced...?)

TCheckBoxThemed :
design mode : NVDA won't say the control name in the form editor, whether I select it by clicking on it or by tabulating to it. Same for a standard TCheckbox. Afterthought; Because the Objecct inspector does not currently tell the property names, I guess most blind users wouldn't use a form designer but would edit directly the lfm file with a text editor. But this is only my guess, I don't know any blind developer who uses a IDE, although I am sure there are lots of them.
run mode : NVDA tells the control name, but it won't say if it is checked or not. When pressing the space bar, NVDA says only "space", and does not react at all when clicking on the TCheckboxThemed. This works perfectly with a TCheckBox. I am sorry to conclude that TCheckboxThemed is currently unusable for a blind user.

I looked a little around to try to find how TCheckbox manages to be properly recognized by NVDA. I am guessing it has something to do with TLazAccessibleObject. But as I don't see TCheckbox doing anything in order to make it work, so that I am at a loss to tell why TCheckboxThemed does not work too. If someone has some more information on how this works, I could try to fix it.

Frederic Da Vitoria wrote

Properties : NVDA doesn't announce the property names in the Object inspector.

This is a tough one. The property names are just text, not controls. Accessibility support should be explicitly built into OI. Felipe may know how big job it would be.

As explained earlier, TCheckbox binds to native (WinAPI) widget. TCheckboxThemed is a custom drawn component.

Contributions are welcome. Good luck!

Juha

FreeMan wrote

1-when palette resetting, selected tab being "standard", my idea this is not good, no need to change selected tab. 2- exp: on TDamodule, "Data Control" tab has no component icon, son this tab can be hide.(suggestion)

Yes, these will be fixed. When I optimize the code and recycle already created pages, the selected page will be restored, too.

Yes you are right. The options GUI interprets the filtered palette as user changes and saves it.
Now I added a "band-aid" fix so that nothing is saved if user does not actually touch the configuration.

<Components Count="3"> <---- why three?

Because there are 3 components in the Standard page when filtered by DataModule.

<Page4 Value="Data Controls"/> <------ where is component's info ???

Data Controls page is empty as you noticed. No components.

Sorry GUI not clever :) its a just code, But coderS are clever ;)

Yes, I meant I am clever because I made the GUI. :) No, just kidding. If I was clever, this feature would work already since a long time but it still does not.

exactly YES. I tested this more then five. I wrote before, while writing, just visible components infos writing, and why IDE closing do this? can options changed flag name or control problem?

When you click OK in the options dialog, the settings are stored into memory variables. They are saved to disk when the IDE closes. I understand now what is going on and I will fix it, although it may take a week. This feature required more work than I anticipated and I have other duties, too.

Juha

2014-12-01 19:29 GMT+01:00 Juha Manninen :

OK, I'll work on it. but I'm a slow worker, I have lots of completely different things to do at the same time.

I think we have a problem more then important viewing. Kubuntu QT svn r47058 When click and change state tru or false, this is not trigger OI, just move up or down row trigger. Focused change not trigger as well, I mean change state and click form or Editor etc. Then close file from editor tab not ask changed directly close, and re open property not changed.

If I understand right the problem is same as described here by Martin: http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=23918
As Mattias explains the feature may be useful sometimes for text editing fields but indeed for a checkbox it is never useful. The fix should go to OI Exit focus handler. It is not a trivial fix and I don't plan to do it soon. Patches are welcome though.

The current behavior is not useful but at least it is consistent with the other editors.

Juha
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Please test with the latest changes. Notice my other post about a Windows specific problem.

Changing the configuration when component filtering (eg. by DataModule) is active is not very useful but now it works in a consistent manner.
First, the configuration is not saved by accident, the user really must change something.
Then, the filtered visible set of components is taken as a base "original" set. It means only those compoents are available when configuring the order. The other components will be left out from the modified pages also after filtering goes off.
This is a generic way, the filtering can be used for other things in future. DataModule is not the only thing doing it. Thus, when the filtering is active and the user decides to change palette configuration, I assume he knows what he is doing.

Regards,
Juha

Another issue Juha, sorry.
While closing project, if select form is Tdatamodule, form focused or not focused, Just selected Editor file is Tdatamodule, IDE save this project info, this is normal, but when reopen project, component palette showing filtered, and not change if select TForm, always filtered. If close selected form is tform then reopen project, filter is normal.

I studied the issue more and fixed it for the Checkbox. It is all configurable in OI after all.
The change will be merged to Lazarus 1.4 branch.

Juha