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FreeMan

Hello,
Is it possible add menu item on right click on form while designing, "Hide none visual components". This is so useful while setting visual component position and sizes.
Thank you

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Mattias Gaertner
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Hello, Is it possible add menu item on right click on form while designing, "Hide none visual components". This is so useful while setting visual component position and sizes. Thank you

Good idea. Feel free to create a feature request.

Mattias

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Maciej Izak
to FreeMan: Is it possible add menu item on right click on form while designing, "Hide none visual…

Already done by me :D

http://youtu.be/-aUf7hhgwwI

2014-03-12 13:04 GMT+01:00 FreeMan :

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FreeMan
to Juha Manninen: This already exists: Summary0018811: Hide/Show components in form designer I apparently…

Status acknowledged
2011-02-23 17:48 Created
2012-03-17 17:57 Zeljan Rikalo => 1.2
2014-01-14 15:16 Martin Friebe 1.2 => 1.4
svn version is 1.3

whats is the meaning of all this, kindly explain this please.

14-03-2014 02:25 tarihinde, Juha Manninen yazd?:

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This already exists: Summary 0018811: Hide/Show components in form designer I apparently supported the idea back then. Now somebody just have to implement it. Juha

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Juha Manninen
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Status acknowledged 2011-02-23 17:48 Created 2012-03-17 17:57 Zeljan Rikalo => 1.2 2014-01-14 15:16 Martin Friebe 1.2 => 1.4 svn version is 1.3 whats is the meaning of all this, kindly explain this please.

Nobody implemented the feature for Lazarus 1.0 so Zeljan postponed it for Lazarus 1.2 two years ago.
Nobody implemented it for Lazarus 1.2 either so Martin postponed it for Lazarus 1.4 which will be the next release.
Lazarus 1.3 is the development version that will finally turn into 1.4 around a year from now.

I am still curious about what is FreeSparta?

Regards,
Juha
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FreeMan
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I mean, are Lazarus team want to say, not need suggestion, so don't tell us suggestion, you can use, if we, what we do.
I wrote 3 suggestion, 2 good idea writed, but, for first suggestion do nothing. for second suggestion next year maybe. 3. suggestion, for fpc svn install script, I was share mine, but problem
"OVERRIDEVERSIONCHECK=1" not write again I was write all detail.

I'm just do NOT want to thing like this, "Why I'm STILL trying helping, testing, just loosing time. If I have problem, write it to forum or mail list, if some one write answer is good, if no answer, forget it, use different way"

Yes Juha, FreeSparta is good viewing on video, But he wrote "Already done by me :D" and no share or detail. so, for get it, what we can do our self?
Regards

14-03-2014 17:38 tarihinde, Juha Manninen yazd?:

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On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 5:15 PM, FreeMan < <mailto:>> wrote: Status acknowledged 2011-02-23 17:48 Created 2012-03-17 17:57 Zeljan Rikalo => 1.2 2014-01-14 15:16 Martin Friebe 1.2 => 1.4 svn version is 1.3 whats is the meaning of all this, kindly explain this please. Nobody implemented the feature for Lazarus 1.0 so Zeljan postponed it for Lazarus 1.2 two years ago. Nobody implemented it for Lazarus 1.2 either so Martin postponed it for Lazarus 1.4 which will be the next release. Lazarus 1.3 is the development version that will finally turn into 1.4 around a year from now. I am still curious about what is FreeSparta? Regards, Juha

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Maciej Izak
to Juha Manninen: Nobody implemented the feature for Lazarus 1.0 so Zeljan postponed it for Lazarus 1.2 two…

Juha Manninen, Michael Van Canneyt, FreeMan

I am still curious about what is FreeSparta?

FreeSparta is the new Lazarus distro. The aim of the project is to provide better quality and user experience (at the beginning only for windows, maybe with "out of the box" cross-compilation).

I want to start FreePascal/Lazarus foundation named FreeSparta, which will be possible to sponsor new open source libraries (gestures, live bindings / data binding, more Delphi compatible RTL, remote debugger, ToolsAPI). FreeSparta license is the same as Lazarus but it will be possible to buy an optional extra quality tools. I want to enter the synergy (and accelerate the development of Lazarus and FPC) between the open source project and commercial additives.

With first release will be included the "Generics.*" library (new and much better version of fpc-generics-collections), fixes for a few (IMO) critical Lazarus errors and new modern UX.

Project is almost ready :).

Regards
Maciej Izak (hnb),
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Michael Van Canneyt
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Juha Manninen,?Michael Van Canneyt,?FreeMan ? I am still curious about what is FreeSparta? ? FreeSparta is the new Lazarus distro. The aim of the project is to provide better quality and user experience (at the beginning only for windows, maybe with "out of the box" cross-compilation).? I want to start FreePascal/Lazarus foundation named FreeSparta, which will be possible to sponsor new open source libraries (gestures, live bindings / data binding, more Delphi compatible RTL, remote debugger, ToolsAPI). FreeSparta license is the same as Lazarus but it will be possible to buy an optional extra quality tools.?I want to enter the synergy (and accelerate the development of Lazarus and FPC) between the open source?project?and commercial additives.? With first release?will be included the "Generics.*" library (new and much better version of fpc-generics-collections), fixes for a few (IMO) critical Lazarus errors and new modern UX. Project is almost ready :).?

Why not simply cooperate with the FPC and Lazarus teams ? I'm sure they will welcome additional manpower. FPC accepts patches, so does Lazarus.

These fragmented projects really are not fun. Discrepancies will start growing. Soon the FPC team will have to go back to using a text editor to ensure code works in all IDEs :(

Michael.

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Dmitry Boyarintsev
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On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Michael Van Canneyt <

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wrote: On Fri, 14 Mar 2014, Maciej Izak wrote: I want to start FreePascal/Lazarus foundation named FreeSparta, which > will be possible to sponsor new open source libraries > (gestures, live bindings / data binding, more Delphi compatible RTL, > remote debugger, ToolsAPI). FreeSparta license is the > same as Lazarus but it will be possible to buy an optional extra quality > tools. I want to enter the synergy (and accelerate > the development of Lazarus and FPC) between the open source project and > commercial additives. >

For Martin:
That's my point of developing Pascal based debugger API as independent from either compiler (FPC and Delphi friendly) as well as IDE (no bindings for Lazarus / LCL)

Another upspiral of IDEs development: FreeSparta, XeroCoder and, sure, CodeTyphon .. and I know some similar works in Russian pascal community ... they all would benefit from having a good debugging API :)

thanks,
Dmitry
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Juha Manninen
to Maciej Izak: Juha Manninen, Michael Van Canneyt, FreeMan FreeSparta is the new Lazarus distro. The aim…
Maciej Izak wrote
FreeSparta is the new Lazarus distro. The aim of the project is to provide better quality and user experience (at the beginning only for windows, maybe with "out of the box" cross-compilation).

Ok, it is a fork like CodeTyphoon with maybe a little different focus. I am also wondering why you cannot contribute the bug fixes directly for Lazarus and FPC.
You could still make a business around them.

Anyway, good luck with your project!
Commercial support and products are needed around these open source projects.

Juha

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silvioprog
to Dmitry Boyarintsev: On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Michael Van Canneyt < For Martin: That's my point of…

2014-03-14 15:38 GMT-03:00 Dmitry Boyarintsev :

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On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Michael Van Canneyt < > wrote: > On Fri, 14 Mar 2014, Maciej Izak wrote: > > I want to start FreePascal/Lazarus foundation named FreeSparta, which >> will be possible to sponsor new open source libraries >> (gestures, live bindings / data binding, more Delphi compatible RTL, >> remote debugger, ToolsAPI). FreeSparta license is the >> same as Lazarus but it will be possible to buy an optional extra quality >> tools. I want to enter the synergy (and accelerate >> the development of Lazarus and FPC) between the open source project and >> commercial additives. >> > For Martin: That's my point of developing Pascal based debugger API as independent from either compiler (FPC and Delphi friendly) as well as IDE (no bindings for Lazarus / LCL) Another upspiral of IDEs development: FreeSparta, XeroCoder and, sure, CodeTyphon .. and I know some similar works in Russian pascal community ... they all would benefit from having a good debugging API :) thanks, Dmitry

Sorry for my ignorance, but, what is XeroCoder?

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Juha Manninen
to FreeMan: I mean, are Lazarus team want to say, not need suggestion, so don't tell us suggestion,…
FreeMan wrote 6 lines
I mean, are Lazarus team want to say, not need suggestion, so don't tell us suggestion, you can use, if we, what we do. I wrote 3 suggestion, 2 good idea writed, but, for first suggestion do nothing. for second suggestion next year maybe. 3. suggestion, for fpc svn install script, I was share mine, but problem "OVERRIDEVERSIONCHECK=1" not write again I was write all detail.

What do you think, who should implement your suggestion? Me? Somebody else? Who? The problem in this (like in many other) open source project is that there are more ideas than there are people willing to implement those ideas.
The best way to get your ideas through is to implement them yourself. Just provide a patch and very likely it will be accepted. For example a patch for issue #18811 would certainly be accepted. Sometimes it happens that all developers are busy with other things and a patch is ignored for a long time. If that happened for you then I apologise and I promise to look at your patch. Just tell me the details where to find it.

I'm just do NOT want to thing like this, "Why I'm STILL trying helping, testing, just loosing time. If I have problem, write it to forum or mail list, if some one write answer is good, if no answer, forget it, use different way"

You forgot the most important thing: source code. Did you try helping by providing source code? It is ultimately the only thing that matters in a SW projects. Don't you agree?

Yes Juha, FreeSparta is good viewing on video, But he wrote "Already done by me :D" and no share or detail. so, for get it, what we can do our self?

We can do Pascal source code.

Regards,
Juha

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FreeMan
to Juha Manninen

Did you try helping by providing source code?

No, not YET, because I'm still learning and I'm not expert. I'm using rxset, I added #0025524. I have one more, I will add after more test. I wrote TExlookup Component, my plan I share it too but need more work on it. IDE code more complicated for me (yet) And I send my install and update svn fpc & lazarus script.
Just don't forget everyone has not now all code and/or expert.

We can do Pascal source code.

Yes, absolutely right.
regards

14-03-2014 21:27 tarihinde, Juha Manninen yazd?:

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> Yes Juha, FreeSparta is good viewing on video, But he wrote "Already done > by me :D" and no share or detail. so, for get it, what we can do our self? We can do Pascal source code. Regards, Juha -- _______________________________________________ Lazarus mailing list http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus

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Dmitry Boyarintsev
to silvioprog: 2014-03-14 15:38 GMT-03:00 Dmitry Boyarintsev : Sorry for my ignorance, but, what is…

A multilingual IDE
http://forum.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php/topic,22236.0.html

FPC/Lazarus based, though it doesn't specifically target pascal development, though.

thanks,
Dmitry

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Sorry for my ignorance, but, what is XeroCoder? -- Silvio Cl?cio My public projects - github.com/silvioprog

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Why not simply cooperate with the FPC and Lazarus teams ? I'm sure they will welcome additional manpower. FPC accepts patches, so does Lazarus. These fragmented projects really are not fun. Discrepancies will start growing. Soon the FPC team will have to go back to using a text editor to ensure code works in all IDEs :(

Don't worry! Before each release I want to send all the patches and extensions. :) I care about compatibility.

Regards,
Maciej Izak (hnb)
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to FreeMan: Did you try helping by providing source code? No, not YET, because I'm still learning and…
FreeMan wrote
No, not YET, because I'm still learning and I'm not expert. I'm using rxset, I added #0025524. I have one more, I will add after more test.

Ok, your patch is for Rx library in CCR. It is assigned (maybe automatically) to Lagunov Aleksey.
The wiki page:
http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/RXfpc
has a comment by Matthijs :
"If someone knows how the authors can be contacted, please tell us. My russian is not too good."
Does it mean Lagunov Aleksey is not actively maintaining it and nobody knows how to contact him?
Could you try contacting him somehow?

In any case your patch cannot be applied because it has no source file information. It has only a dot (.).
$ patch -p0 < ~/patch/Freeman_rxpatch_2.diff
patch: **** File . is not a regular file -- can't patch

Additionally, a patch should be made from a top level directory so path information is included, too. Easier to apply. Like: svn diff trunk/rxsomething.pas > myrx.diff

You have included formatting changes together with actual code changes. They should be separated as much as possible. "Respect the style of surrounding code" is the basic rule, although it is broken often.

You have commented out some lines instead of removing them. Just remove them, the changes will be visible in SVN history.

Juha

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alexs
to FreeMan: Did you try helping by providing source code? No, not YET, because I'm still learning and…

1. Why have disabled AutoSort?
2. The formatting of the source code does not need to change anything - let the style is classical.

? ??, 14/03/2014 ? 22:07 +0200, FreeMan ?????:

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Did you try helping by providing source code? No, not YET, because I'm still learning and I'm not expert. I'm using rxset, I added #0025524. I have one more, I will add after more test. I wrote TExlookup Component, my plan I share it too but need more work on it. IDE code more complicated for me (yet) And I send my install and update svn fpc & lazarus script. Just don't forget everyone has not now all code and/or expert. We can do Pascal source code. Yes, absolutely right. regards 14-03-2014 21:27 tarihinde, Juha Manninen yazd?: >> Yes Juha, FreeSparta is good viewing on video, But he wrote "Already done >> by me :D" and no share or detail. so, for get it, what we can do our self? > We can do Pascal source code. > > Regards, > Juha > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Lazarus mailing list > > http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus > -- _______________________________________________ Lazarus mailing list http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus

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