Hi,

I just saw this thread. The PilotLogic guys (creators of the CodeTyphoon project) has finally decided to fork Lazarus IDE and go their own route. Here are some "early days" screenshots.

http://www.pilotlogic.com/sitejoom/media/kunena/attachments/63/OpenIntiana64_2013-05-27.jpg

http://www.pilotlogic.com/sitejoom/media/kunena/attachments/63/Screenshot_2013-05-28.jpg

They plan to add multi-architecture / dual personalities (32-bit & 64-bit executables) on a single system, improved cross-compile support with easy switching and indicator, C/C++ support, support more platforms etc.

For the full thread, here is the link.

http://www.pilotlogic.com/sitejoom/index.php/forum/ct-lab-news/2509-ct-4-30-lab-new-ide?limitstart=0&start=24

Regards,
- Graeme -

Seems to be in a good path. They're fork Will be open source?

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It's notable that the "About" box shows x86_64-Solaris. Let's hope that any competition is kept friendly.

This thread doesn't have any information about why they're doing this or what the improvements are. Is there any other discussion?

Henry

William Oliveira Ferreira wrote

Seems to be in a good path. They're fork Will be open source?

No choice, the Lazarus IDE is GPL, so all derivative work needs to be supplied.

Henry

Henry Vermaak wrote

This thread doesn't have any information about why they're doing this or what the improvements are. Is there any other discussion?

There was another thread (sorry don?t have the link) where they mentioned some issues with Lazarus IDE. I think it was issues building up over some time. The current plan and information is limited though. At the moment it is a "lab" project, where they experiment with ideas and features. More information is promised as soon as they themselves know more.

Regards,
- Graeme -

On 05/30/2013 06:58 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:

Perhaps they'll add support for Debian 7.0 multiarch. Based on someone's posting in here a while back (I *think* yours, Graeme, but I'm not certain), I set up a VM and downloaded CodeTyphon. I forget exactly what the problem was now (the details are all in their forums, and I was far from the only person having trouble using Debian 7.0 multiarch). Their response was that Debian 7.0 was "unstable" and that I would have to wait for CodeTyphon 4.0 for it to be supported. As I didn't feel able to change my distro for the differences between CodeTyphon and Lazarus, I just wiped the VM and forgot about it.

Brian.

brian wrote

Perhaps they'll add support for Debian 7.0 multiarch. Based on someone's posting in here a while back (I *think* yours, Graeme, but I'm not certain)

I've never installed or used Debian.

G.

1 - First i hate forking projects it wast the efforts, split the team, while other team can work together with first one (i am not mentioning who give the reason for that splitting)

2 - PilotLogic, just feeling, they have plan to make it commercial (i don't know if it can be), but from here i smell the money :P

the project is not even GPL or other open source licenses. They don't do it for science, just for money:
http://www.pilotlogic.com/sitejoom/index.php/wiki/84-wiki/codetyphon-studio/72-codetyphon-about

"This Project is licensed as: Freeware."
also, as mentioned before, the IDE is GPL so it doesn't matter what they put on their site, it will remain GPL.
I suspect they don't mention licenses because there are too many for the IDE, FPC, LCL, the various components they use, and their own glue code/installer code (GPL, modified LGPL, probably MPL etc). Finally: nothing in the (L)GPL prohibits you from selling the product, as long as you provide the source. In practice this mainly boils down to subscription/maintenance payments.

Regarding the forking: Zaher, I'd agree in principle with you, however I don't suspect the PilotLogic guy/(guys?) are currently Lazarus devs. If they want to improve the IDE, we can all benefit due to the GPL.

Please, be informed before acuse PilotLogic.

Sternas is a great man.

Salut!
Miquel Matas.

2013/6/1 Zaher Dirkey

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I'm not saying I don't trust them, but I noticed the "Freeware" designation and was slightly uneasy. Apart from anything else my own feeling is that while they might say that it's /distributed/ as freeware they should still say that the /license/ is GPL etc. since that propagates to derivatives.

On the other hand they do prominently say that it's a derivative of Lazarus. I suggest that somebody prints the page that does that and gets it notarised, don't rely on being able to get a copy in the future from archive.org since in some jurisdictions that's considered "hearsay" and isn't admissible evidence.

I didn't mean to imply that you were a Debian user, Graeme, just that you (I think, I'm not 100% certain) were the one who made favourable comments about CodeTyphon.

Brian.

Miquel Bruns wrote

Please, be informed before acuse PilotLogic.

We would love to be informed, yes. Can you Miquel please explain the policy of CodeTyphon?
Why they _always_ fork the other projects and never contribute back to the original project?
Often it does not make sense even from their point of view. They even forked my first "alpha" version of the DeleD 3-D design app, although I explicitly asked for help from others and the admin Jeroen promised commit access to anybody who wants it.
I added a new comment to DeleD forum :
http://www.delgine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=38532

I know forking makes sense sometimes. A project may not be interested in Lazarus / cross-platform support, or they otherwise don't accept changes easily.
But, most often projects have lack of resources and they would be happy to get contributors, and after a "test period" they would get commit access.
Then CodeTyphon would benefit from bug fixes and improvements made by others. A win-win situation.

I appreciate the CodeTyphon team because they are clearly talented programmers, yet I am puzzled with the political side. What is going on, honestly? What is their ultimate goal?

Sternas is a great man.

Some people create a "following" by their mere existence and appearance, and then people write this kind of comments. Sternas may be one of those people.
... I am speculating now, I have never met the person ...

Regards,
Juha

Dear Juha,

We've installed both Lazarus and CodeTyphon Studio here, reading this http://www.pilotlogic.com/sitejoom/index.php/wiki/84-wiki/codetyphon-studio/223-codetyphon-statusat CodeTyphon Wiki, we see how much they work for us the community. (with sources)

We can wait some time to see what's happening... ;)

Cheers,
Miquel Matas.

Salut!
Miquel Matas.

2013/6/1 Juha Manninen

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My advice is to document what you do as well as you can, so that others can use the information to contribute it back to the main Lazarus project.

FWIW I think Lazarus IDE development could do with a shot in the arm. -------
Frank Church

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FWIW I think Lazarus IDE development could do with a shot in the arm. What does that mean?

Vincent
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2013/6/1 Vincent Snijders

I had the same doubt... then I found this:
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/shot+in+the+arm

*shot in the arm *

Internet Brasil we have a close one: shot on own foot

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Internet Brazil we have a close one: shot on own foot

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William Oliveira Ferreira wrote

Internet Brasil we have a close one: shot on own foot

that is pretty much opposite meaning of "a shot in the arm" ;)

see Alexsander Rosa's post with definitions... #2 fits this thread...