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Why I can't see my own messages in this list?

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Tommi Prami

Hello,

Is there an way to configure that way? Or is it Group rule/policy/setting? Could it be the Gmail problem...

Very difficult to find the Aswers some nice person has given into some problem because yopu can ffind the first question :)

-TP-

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Sven Barth
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Tommi Prami wrote 7 lines
Hello, Is there an way to configure that way? Or is it Group rule/policy/setting? Could it be the Gmail problem... Very difficult to find the Aswers some nice person has given into some problem because yopu can ffind the first question :)

It could be the option of your subscription...

Navigate here: http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus and enter your subscribed mail address at the bottom most input field behind which a button title "Unsubscribe or edit options" is located. Press the button and then enter your password.
After login you should be at a page where at the bottom some options are located. For example the following: "Receive your own posts to the list?" Check that "Yes" is selected there and then save the changes.

If that doesn't solve the problem, I don't know anything else...

Regards,
Sven

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Tommi Prami
to Sven Barth
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It could be the option of your subscription... Navigate here: http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus and enter your subscribed mail address at the bottom most input field behind which a button title "Unsubscribe or edit options" is located. Press the button and then enter your password. After login you should be at a page where at the bottom some options are located. For example the following: "Receive your own posts to the list?" Check that "Yes" is selected there and then save the changes. If that doesn't solve the problem, I don't know anything else... Regards, Sven

I got error while trying to login :(

Error

*Lazarus roster authentication failed.*
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Graeme Geldenhuys
to Tommi Prami: Is there an way to configure that way? Or is it Group rule/policy/setting? Could it be…
Tommi Prami wrote
Is there an way to configure that way? Or is it Group rule/policy/setting? Could it be the Gmail problem...

GMail doesn't show your own message until somebody replies to it (at least this is true for the first message in a message thread). Then only does it appear as a conversion in your GMail Inbox.

Regards,
- Graeme -

fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/

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Tommi Prami
to Graeme Geldenhuys
GMail doesn't show your own message until somebody replies to it (at

least this is true for the first message > in a message thread). Then only does it appear as a conversion in your GMail Inbox. Regards, - Graeme -
For me, it never appears...
For reading I mainly use the Thuderbird, but I use GMail Account...

-TP-

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Sven Barth
to Tommi Prami: I got error while trying to login :( Error *Lazarus roster authentication failed.*…
Tommi Prami wrote 25 lines
> It could be the option of your subscription... > > Navigate here: > http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus > and enter your subscribed mail address at the bottom most input field > behind which a button title "Unsubscribe or edit options" is located. > Press the button and then enter your password. > After login you should be at a page where at the bottom some options > are located. For example the following: "Receive your own posts to the > list?" > Check that "Yes" is selected there and then save the changes. > > If that doesn't solve the problem, I don't know anything else... > > Regards, > Sven > I got error while trying to login :( Error *Lazarus roster authentication failed.*

Correct E-Mail address? Correct password? Are modifier keys (CAPSLOCK) set correctly?

What if you try from here?
http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/options/lazarus

Regards,
Sven

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Sven Barth
to Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote 7 lines
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Tommi Prami wrote: > For me, it never appears... > For reading I mainly use the Thuderbird, but I use GMail Account... The problem is probably in Thunderbird or a configuration of Thunderbird because it works from the standard web client.

I suspect the settings of his mailing list account, because there IS an option to enable/disable the sending of ones own mails.

Regards,
Sven

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Tommi Prami
to Sven Barth: Correct E-Mail address? Correct password? Are modifier keys (CAPSLOCK) set correctly?…
Sven Barth wrote 36 lines
Am 12.08.2011 14:06, schrieb Tommi Prami: > >> It could be the option of your subscription... >> >> Navigate here: >> http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus >> and enter your subscribed mail address at the bottom most input field >> behind which a button title "Unsubscribe or edit options" is located. >> Press the button and then enter your password. >> After login you should be at a page where at the bottom some options >> are located. For example the following: "Receive your own posts to the >> list?" >> Check that "Yes" is selected there and then save the changes. >> >> If that doesn't solve the problem, I don't know anything else... >> >> Regards, >> Sven >> > > I got error while trying to login :( > > > Error > > *Lazarus roster authentication failed.* Correct E-Mail address? Correct password? Are modifier keys (CAPSLOCK) set correctly? What if you try from here? http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/options/lazarus Regards, Sven

I've used the one I got when I registered some time ago... I can double Check...

Oops wrong mail address...

I had the setting "on" to receive my own messages :(

-TP-

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Sven Barth
to Tommi Prami
Tommi Prami wrote 6 lines
I've used the one I got when I registered some time ago... I can double Check... Oops wrong mail address... I had the setting "on" to receive my own messages :(

In that case I don't know what could be the problem... do you see your messages in the web UI of GMail (as received messages of course)?

Regards,
Sven

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Tommi Prami
to José Mejuto
Jos? Mejuto wrote 10 lines
Hello Lazarus-List, Friday, August 12, 2011, 2:21:49 PM, you wrote: SB> I suspect the settings of his mailing list account, because there IS an SB> option to enable/disable the sending of ones own mails. I had changed that option multiple times and never got my written emails back. Maybe is gmail "deleting them as dupes" ?

Might be, but surely IO can't see them :(

-Tee-

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Rich Saunders
to Tommi Prami

Gmail actively suppresses the messages you send to a mailing list when they are echoed back to the sending Gmail account. Apparently the Gmail implementers thought it would be adequate for you to have the sent message in your Sent folder. AFAIK, this is not configurable or able to be changed (after repeated requests). Both the fact of it and the fact that you cannot configure it are extremely annoying to the point of being almost evil. ;)

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6588

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Sven Barth
to Rich Saunders
Rich Saunders wrote 9 lines
Gmail actively suppresses the messages you send to a mailing list when they are echoed back to the sending Gmail account. Apparently the Gmail implementers thought it would be adequate for you to have the sent message in your Sent folder. AFAIK, this is not configurable or able to be changed (after repeated requests). Both the fact of it and the fact that you cannot configure it are extremely annoying to the point of being almost evil. ;) http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6588

Fascinating O.o Cause here it works without any problem... I use Thunderbird using IMAP and GMail is configured to apply labels that correspond to the mailing lists to all mails. All my own mails and all questions I ask are visible in the correct "label folder" (and in "all messages" as well) after I've sent them.

Regards,
Sven

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Curt Carpenter
to Rich Saunders: Gmail actively suppresses the messages you send to a mailing list when they are echoed…
Rich Saunders wrote 7 lines
Gmail actively suppresses the messages you send to a mailing list when they are echoed back to the sending Gmail account. Apparently the Gmail implementers thought it would be adequate for you to have the sent message in your Sent folder. AFAIK, this is not configurable or able to be changed (after repeated requests). Both the fact of it and the fact that you cannot configure it are extremely annoying to the point of being almost evil. ;)

I just joined the mail list yesterday, and as I recall there was a check-box when I set up my subscription that asked if I wanted the list to send me copies of my own messages. Could that, rather than Gmail, explain your problem? (I'm new, so don't know).

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Rich Saunders
to Sven Barth: Fascinating O.o Cause here it works without any problem... I use Thunderbird using IMAP…
Sven Barth wrote 5 lines
Fascinating O.o Cause here it works without any problem... I use Thunderbird using IMAP and GMail is configured to apply labels that correspond to the mailing lists to all mails. All my own mails and all questions I ask are visible in the correct "label folder" (and in "all messages" as well) after I've sent them.

I think if you have configured Gmail to apply a label to your outgoing messages that places it in the same grouping as all incoming messages from the mailing list then I think you have found a work-around to what Gmail is doing.

I have a Thunderbird rule that copies incoming messages from each mailing list and place them in a local folder. My outgoing messages to the lists never make it to those local folders, so I never see them mixed in with the regular messages because they never come back in from the list.

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Rich Saunders
to Curt Carpenter: I just joined the mail list yesterday, and as I recall there was a check-box when I set…
Curt Carpenter wrote
I just joined the mail list yesterday, and as I recall there was a check-box when I set up my subscription that asked if I wanted the list to send me copies of my own messages. Could that, rather than Gmail, explain your problem? (I'm new, so don't know).

Hi, Curt. Welcome!

No, that doesn't explain the problem because I've had that option turned on for all the lists I subscribe to. The problem only started when I switched from another email service to Gmail. Others have reported the same.

No, Gmail is messing with "normal" Internet operation. Sort of like when you type in a URL that does not exist and instead of receiving a 404 error you instead get shunted to a "helpful" ISP-specific search page that includes lots of paid-for links. Not what is supposed to happen according to HTTP protocols but a money maker for the ISP!

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Tommi Prami
to Rich Saunders: I think if you have configured Gmail to apply a label to your outgoing messages that…
Rich Saunders wrote 17 lines
On 8/14/11 3:16 PM, Sven Barth wrote: > Fascinating O.o Cause here it works without any problem... I use > Thunderbird using IMAP and GMail is configured to apply labels that > correspond to the mailing lists to all mails. All my own mails and > all questions I ask are visible in the correct "label folder" (and in > "all messages" as well) after I've sent them. I think if you have configured Gmail to apply a label to your outgoing messages that places it in the same grouping as all incoming messages from the mailing list then I think you have found a work-around to what Gmail is doing. I have a Thunderbird rule that copies incoming messages from each mailing list and place them in a local folder. My outgoing messages to the lists never make it to those local folders, so I never see them mixed in with the regular messages because they never come back in from the list.

Could you make simple tutorial of this, how you can do it. Because not seing your own mail is soooo annoying!

Or links so everyone don't have to go the hard way ;)

-TP-

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Tommi Prami
to Rich Saunders: Gmail actively suppresses the messages you send to a mailing list when they are echoed…
Rich Saunders wrote 9 lines
Gmail actively suppresses the messages you send to a mailing list when they are echoed back to the sending Gmail account. Apparently the Gmail implementers thought it would be adequate for you to have the sent message in your Sent folder. AFAIK, this is not configurable or able to be changed (after repeated requests). Both the fact of it and the fact that you cannot configure it are extremely annoying to the point of being almost evil. ;) http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6588

That would be OK, it would just work, don't work for me. Have had this problem for years... With few mailing lists...

I can't see any reason to that rule. Would be much easier to everyone (the few) that is actually not interested to see that they mails actually reached the mailing list, would make rule to delete own messages :)

...

-TP-

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Vincent Snijders
to Michael Schnell: Is this allowed ???? Google is here to hold your data for you (and all who pay them for…

2011/8/15 Michael Schnell :

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On 08/14/2011 10:29 PM, Rich Saunders wrote: > > > I have a Thunderbird rule that copies incoming messages from each mailing > list and place them in a local folder. Is this allowed ???? Google is here to hold your data for you (and all who pay them for access) in their "cloud".

LOL: do you mean Google holds a copyright on the emails that you receive?

Vincent

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