Hi,

I'm not sure this is a big issue, but just curious

I used to two-key sequences like Ctrl-Q-F, Ctrl-K-I, Ctrl-K-U in IDE Classic, but recenly noticed that there's a little difference to Delphi in how they work. It does not respond if one still holds Control when pressing the second key. It is maybe a matter of habit, but for block moving (K-I, K-U) the way when it works in Delphi allowed me to move block quicker (when I held the Control and jump from first to second and back for as long as I need this).

Is this a minor issue that can be fixed easily in Lazarus and worth it or not reporting to matis?

Thanks

Max
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Max Vlasov hat am 16. Juni 2011 um 14:33 geschrieben:

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Do you mean Ctrl-Q+Ctrl-F ??
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Ctrl-Q+F is a different shortcut than Ctrl-Q+Ctrl-F. The IDE only supports two shortcuts per command.

Maybe we should change the shortcuts for classic.

Mattias
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You can change the keyboard configuration.

For lazarus
ctrl-k I
ctrl-k ctrl-I

Are 2 different sequences.

But each key-map entry supports 2 shortcuts => so assign them both if you want.

2011/6/16 Mattias Gaertner

Sorry if I didn't explain clearly. I meant the sequences when after holding Ctrl one pressed simple letter keys (search, block operations in classic).

My hands are used to doing it this way (example for block moving to right, works in Delphi):

- Press and hold Control
- Press and hold K
- Press I
- Withdraw (Control, K, I) in random order or Press K-I once again.

But in Lazarus works only:

- Press and hold Control
- Press and withdraw K + withdraw Control (in any order)
- Press and withdraw I

The first one allows moving block quicker since I can hold Control for as long as I want and jumping from K to I many times.

Max
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Max Vlasov hat am 16. Juni 2011 um 14:53 geschrieben:

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So your answer is: Yes.
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See Martin's and my answers.?
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2011/6/16 Mattias Gaertner

Mattias, thanks,

now I see how it works. The problem came from the fact that my frequently used commands (Find/Indent/Unindent) for some reasons had Ctrl-Key-Key but no corresponding Ctrl-Key, Ctrl-Key sequence by default. No big deal.

Max
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+1

-Fl?vio

Fl?vio Etrusco wrote

> > Maybe we should change the shortcuts for classic.

To what then ?

Michael.

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Michael Van Canneyt hat am 16. Juni 2011 um 18:37 geschrieben:

At the moment it is
? ecBlockIndent: Ctrl-K+I
? ecBlockUnindent: Ctrl-K+U

Either
? ecBlockIndent: Ctrl-K+I and Ctrl-K+Ctrl-I
? ecBlockUnindent: Ctrl-K+U and Ctrl-K+Ctrl-U
Or
? ecBlockIndent: Ctrl-K+Ctrl-I and Ctrl+I
? ecBlockUnindent: Ctrl-K+Ctrl-U and Ctrl+U

Mattias
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Mattias Gaertner wrote

?? ecBlockIndent: Ctrl-K+I ?? ecBlockUnindent: Ctrl-K+U

<ctrl hold> <k> <ctrl release> <i> is how I use it. Please keep it :-)

I thought so.
I added the Ctrl,Ctrl shortcuts to ecBlockIndent and ecBlockUnindent.

Mattias

I fixed the classic key scheme. It had some conflicting keys.

Mattias

Ah. Well, this seems like the only option to me.

Michael.

Former Wordstar user detected... :-)

2011/6/16 Max Vlasov

IMO this is the real factor that should be adjustable: whether changes in the modifier keys (CTRL, ALT...) should matter or should be ignored, in the remainder of the sequence. I'm used to keep the required modifier pressed for the rest of the sequence.

Of course ignoring changes will limit the number of different key combinations, but this must be acceptable for users with such habits. The default shortcuts should consider that restriction, and not assign essentially different actions to e.g. ^K^I and ^KI. The second choice should remain open for really different shortcuts, like both ^INS and ^C for COPY.

DoDi

2011/6/17 Alexsander Rosa

Former Wordstar user detected... :-)

Rather a long-time borland user :)

Another topic about keys. I'm long-time proponent of using ctrl-alt-arrows for Find Next/Previous Word Occurrence. I had to create expert for this in Delphi, in Lazarus it can be assigned immediately so no questions here. But when I created the expert, I also added a key sequence for copying the word at cursor (used Ctrl-Alt-Insert for this). Currently there's no such command in Lazarus (or at least I did not find when searched in Key Mappings tab). There are already "Select Word" and "Copy", but as long as I see, one can't assign two commands to one key sequence. So can such command be added to the list of available? I don't feel confident about this if I'm the only one who will use it :) but from my delphi experience I can tell that it saves a little every time, and when dozens of identifiers are copied, the saved time can be noticeable.

Thanks

Max
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Max Vlasov wrote

a key sequence for copying the word at cursor (used Ctrl-Alt-Insert for this). Currently there's no such command in Lazarus (or at least I did not find when searched in Key Mappings tab).

Something similar: In the editor options (Misc) there is a checkbox "copy word on copy none. With that, if you have no selection Ctrl-C (or whatever you use) will copy a word instead of nothing

Max Vlasov wrote

I also added a key sequence for copying the word at cursor (used Ctrl-Alt-Insert for this).

Sounds like a great idea !

"Copy line at cursor" seems very useful, too (e.g. Ctrl-Alt-Shift-Insert)

-Michael

Hell, am I the only one that uses Tab (for indentation) and Shift+Tab (for unindent)? Much less keys to type. ;-)

Regards,
- Graeme -

Wonderful, thanks, Martin ! :) It is even on by default, I just never tried to copy anything without selection so never discovered this

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys <

It's interesting, I saw this in Notepad++ and liked, but personally also used to using tabs as usual.
But if one thinks, using tabs for tabbing when there's a selection looks like a useless operation, (cmiiw). Maybe there might a mechanism that conditionally makes different things if there's a selection and if there's no. In this case the tab can be used more effectively.

Max
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That's exactly what Tab does.

if there is a selection....
Again look at the editor options. (don't assign tab to the indent function)

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Max Vlasov wrote

conditionally makes different things if there's a selection and if there's no. In this case the tab can be used more effectively.

There are many things in Lazarus IDE that behaves different based on the fact if text is selected or not. Code Templates & Synro Edit both via Ctrl+J is another example of this.

Regards,
- Graeme -

2011/6/17 Martin

I see, I should have noticed :) thanks

Max
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Seems so... I prefer Ctrl+I (indent) and Ctrl+U (unindent) ^^

Regards,
Sven

No, he is not the only one.
But Graeme addressed "hell" with his question, So I did not feel obliged to answer....

Sven Barth wrote

Seems so... I prefer Ctrl+I (indent) and Ctrl+U (unindent) ^^

:-) How strange. I thought the Tab key for indentation was quite popular, seeing that many editors support it.

Then again, comparing my keyboard shortcuts to anybody else is probably not a good idea. I use the Dvorak (before that Programmer Dvorak) keyboard layout (with Caps Lock remapped to Backspace), so many "standard" key combinations makes no sense in Dvorak. eg: Ctrl+C is a two-hand shortcut under Dvork, but one-handed under Qwerty. For Cut/Copy/Paste, I use the old CUI key combo standard.

From memory, I believe the Ctrl+I and Ctrl+U is what Delphi IDE uses.

Regards,
- Graeme -

Martin wrote

But Graeme addressed "hell" with his question, So I did not feel obliged to answer....

LOL! Lets hope Michael doesn't interpret it like that. :)

Regards,
- Graeme -

I use NEO instead of Qwertz ( http://www.neo-layout.org/ ). There "u" is located on "a" and "i" on "s" so it's a rather nice combination to use :)

> From memory, I believe the Ctrl+I and Ctrl+U is what Delphi IDE uses.

No... Delphi needs you to press Shift as well. And I always stumple with that when I switch from Lazarus to Delphi at work ^^

Regards,
Sven

Graeme Geldenhuys wrote

On 17/06/2011 11:31, Sven Barth wrote: > Seems so... I prefer Ctrl+I (indent) and Ctrl+U (unindent) ^^ :-) How strange. I thought the Tab key for indentation was quite popular, seeing that many editors support it.

I prefere Tab/Shoft+Tab combination as well as most of the editors have this one (at least MonoDevelop, VisualStudio, NetBeans, Eclipse).

Regards,
?ilvinas