Hello,

For the interested:

I got news from the editor (chairman of the Dutch Pascal User Group) that the Lazarus book "Lazarus Complete Guide" is now available for sale.

It can be purchased on-line from:
http://www.blaisepascal.eu/index.php?actie=./subscribers/subscription_mainpageUKPaypalPage2

It is a translation of the original German "Lazarus" book, published by C&L (which is by now in its second edition!).

Several of the core FPC/Lazarus developers have participated in the writing of this book.

Michael.

Michael Van Canneyt wrote

I got news from the editor (chairman of the Dutch Pascal User Group) that the Lazarus book "Lazarus Complete Guide" is now available for sale.

Awesome... after reviewing the WST chapter (which was great by the way), I was about to place my order....but there is no PDF (eBook) version available. :-(

Any news on a possible digital version? My iPad and I try to save some trees where possible - plus delivery would be instant to my side of the world.

What about translations?

Ant?nio

2011/5/30 Graeme Geldenhuys

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Ant?nio wrote

What about translations?

This book release is a translation (from the original German book). Translation of a book is a huge project, and I believe will only be done in other languages if there is sufficient demand. I suggest you contact the publisher on this matter.

Regards,
- Graeme -

Ant?nio wrote

What about translations?

The original German editor must be contacted for that. If there is interest, then I can give the email address of the person to contact.

Michael.

Well, there has been some debate about this. The plan was to have one, but the German editor made objections to this, so now it is no longer sure what will happen.

Michael.

Well, there has been some debate about this. The plan was to have one, but the German editor made objections to this, so now it is no longer sure what will happen.

Thanks for the info. It would be sad if there isn't going to be an ebook version. As I have told you in private, using the iPad on my desk as a reference book (instead of a pile of printed books) is pretty awesome. I have successfully converted my whole technical library of 30+ books to their digital versions, and my library includes the FPC documentation of course. Now I'm never without a book. The iPad screen size is also perfect for reading A4 (or A5) PDF books (without requiring zoom and scrolling).

Just some of the eBook advantages:
- All books can be loaded on one single device.
- eBooks never go out of print
- Saves (physical) space - on the bookshelf or on my desk.
- eBooks are searchable
- Cheaper to produce (no printing involved)
- Good for the environment (no chopping down of trees)
- Books stay in perfect condition, even after long usage
- Quicker to purchase (no shipping required). Here in SA, books take 4-6 weeks for delivery when they come from the USA, UK or Europe.
- Revised/Corrected versions are instantly available, and without having old stock lying around.

Regards,
- Graeme -

The main argument contra - as I recall it - was that PDFs can be illegally copied, and this was used to wipe away all the possible advantages.

But I do not exclude that it will still happen.

Michael.

Unlike industrial scanners that can be used to scan the book into PDF and distributed illegally ?

But I do not exclude that it will still happen. Michael.

Ido

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Well, you'll have to admit that this is quite an effort. I dare not hope for such a bestseller :)

Please note that I'm just representing the arguments of the editor;
I myself have no problems with a PDF version.

(although for my personal use, I much prefer an actual printed version).

Miuchael.

The main argument contra - as I recall it - was that PDFs can be illegally copied, and this was used to wipe away all the possible advantages.

True, I guess. I much prefer PDF (because they keep the original formatting), but I guess an alternative could be EPUB books with the dreaded DRM enabled.

If somebody is stupid enough to give away what they purchased with their hard earner money, I guess they are the fools. This still doesn't improve the concern of the editor/publisher I guess. :-(

I can say that [where possible], I re-purchased all my printed books in ebook format. And now that I have them in ebook format, and noticed how convenient it is, I don't know if I will ever purchase a printed book again. Though I will miss sitting Sunday afternoons in Borders or Waterstones, sipping a coffee while paging through my next purchase. :)

But I do not exclude that it will still happen.

I'll be crossing my fingers then. ;-)

Regards,
- Graeme -

I have several ebooks that I bought from the pragmatic bookstore. They are DRM free pdf, that I can actually copy paste the PDF. Some have my name inside (part of the generating process) and some are without, but no DRM.

I use PDF both on my phone (not that convenient to read) and my laptop, and it's much easier for me to use it digitally then with paper. I also prefer to have it digital rather then as paper, but I do not want any DRM limitation. Because the DRM is limiting also the environment where to use it, for example your iPad (why Apple ?!), Kindle etc... If they really like to, they can generate each copy with the name of the person who bought it as part of the PDF, so you can know if someone had copied it.

Ido

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ik wrote

Unlike industrial scanners that can be used to scan the book into PDF and distributed illegally ?

Very true, and one doesn't even need industrial scanners any more... just a home made automatic-paging device, a digital camera and some open-source software. I actually considered the latter for some of my books I couldn't find legit PDF purchase options for. Google revealed some very interesting DIY "book-to-PDF" designs.

Regards,
- Graeme -

All my books in my "technical library" are PDF and DRM free too. Some of my ebooks also contains my name in them - which was done as part of the purchase. The first time I saw it, I thought the "name in the book" was a pretty clever idea. :)

I'm also very much against DRM'd eBooks. After all, printed books are not DRM'd. I can copy a printed book, lend it to someone, sell it to someone, destroy it etc.. So why should I not be allowed to do the same with eBooks?

If they really like to, they can generate each copy with the name of the person who bought it as part of the PDF, so you can know if someone had copied it.

That is a good idea, and seems easy to do - considering that many digital shops do this lately.

Regards,
- Graeme -

Looks really great, but how do I get to order the hardback edition of this book?

This link
<http://www.blaisepascal.eu/index.php?actie=./subscribers/lazarusbookinfoEnglish> states two editions, a paperback edition and hardback, but only the paperback can be bought from the website?

Kind regards,
Torsten Bonde Christiansen.
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I will inform the editor.

Michael.

> Just some of the eBook advantages:

[...]

The main argument contra - as I recall it - was that PDFs can be illegally copied, and this was used to wipe away all the possible advantages.

That's true only for people that make their living from writing and selling books. When a program/project is available for free, why shouldn't the documentation come for free as well? There is no real need that the book writers should earn money, while the coders should not.

In practice I agree that it can be hard work, to write a book about mostly undocumented code like FPC and Lazarus, and even I've been thinking about providing *and* selling according documentation myself. But I would have done that by myself, in digital form, without an professional publisher who wouldn't work for free...

DoDi

Hello there,

Quick question: is it possible to use a .lib to be used with Visual C++? I only have the .h and the .lib (commercial library).

Thanks,
Renato

Publishing a book costs money. Be it in PDF or printed. The editor makes his/her living from publishing books. It is her initiative to publish this. The book is not the documentation of Lazarus.

As an analogy:
PHP is free. The documentation of PHP is free.
But there exist many books about PHP. You must pay for these books.

Michael.

The writers don't earn much money. Writing a book is a lot of work and you have to sell a lot of books, before it pays out. OTOH having a book helps the project and therefore the coders.

Mattias

Hello there, Quick question: is it possible to use a .lib to be used with Visual C++? I only have the .h and the .lib (commercial library).

quick answer: yes

Mattias

quick answer: yes

Long question: how? :-P

This book release is a translation (from the original German book). Translation of a book is a huge project, and I believe will only be done in other languages if there is sufficient demand. I suggest you contact the publisher on this matter.

I need the English version in order to translate to Portuguese. Do you know the contact address of the English version editor?

Ant?nio
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The english version editor does not have the authority to decide about a translation.

But, if the orginal german editor (she speaks English, no worries :)) allows it, he will give you a PDF (or I will, I have one too).

I will send you the e-mail address of the orginal editor in a private mail.

Michael.

I don't see such costs. Webspace is needed for the documentation as well as for the project itself, and an advertisement can be put into the project's homepage.

Selling copies is more complicated, but not a real cost factor.

The editor makes his/her living from publishing books. It is her initiative to publish this. The book is not the documentation of Lazarus.

I don't see a need for publishers nowadays, when everything can be done over the web. In former times publishing was expensive, and required more expertise, machinery, infrastructure, connections and management than nowadays. What remains is readily offered by companies, which handle the storage, advertising and payments for binaries, like programs or eBooks. They only ask for a percentage for every sale, so that the income is diminuished, but other (lost) investments are not required.

As an analogy: PHP is free. The documentation of PHP is free. But there exist many books about PHP. You must pay for these books.

This is why I thought about selling documentation on FPC/Lazarus, as kind of an service. There is nothing bad or unethic about selling services, which fill the gap between a "naked" project and its users. The real advantages, offered by such an service, determine how much a user is willing to pay for it.

DoDi

> quick answer: yes Long question: how? :-P

You'll have to implement an wrapper, that allows to access the objects and their methods by mere (non-OO) subroutines. That wrapper will have to be written in the language of the library (here: C++), so that it can use the objects provided by the library, and can call their methods. The headers of the wrapper have to be converted into a unit (library?), for use from OPL code.

DoDi

The writers don't earn much money. Writing a book is a lot of work and you have to sell a lot of books, before it pays out.

True, in detail for all technical writing :-(

OTOH having a book helps the project and therefore the coders.

How does it help, and exactly whome?

Good documentation encourages the *use* of the project, but how should this help the project coders?

It would increase the acceptance of a project a lot, when somebody wrote a book *before* the coding starts, and then the project is made usable in the outlined way. Writing books about all those nasty problems, that arise from the installation, configuration and use of FPC/Lazarus, on the various supported platforms, IMO doesn't make much sense, because they will be outdated within weeks :-(

DoDi

It helps when telling people about the project. You can say: ... and there is a book about it. This makes a difference. Sometimes a big one.

And in this particular case: Many writers of the Lazarus books are in the FPC and/or Lazarus development teams. So there is no real distinction between writers and coders here.

Good documentation encourages the *use* of the project, but how should this help the project coders?

There are less boring questions.

I doubt that.
For example each time the debian package maintainers apply more of the debian policies, there are new problems/questions coming to us. They simply ignore our outlined way.
The windows installer is not perfect too.

Mattias

$100 us dollars?

Is there a epub or pdf version available?

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Michael Van Canneyt <

Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote

I don't see such costs.

Time is money.

I don't see a need for publishers nowadays, when everything can be done

Well if you want a professional and high quality book that is well designed and laid out etc., then a publishers help is invaluable.

I have seem many "self published ebooks" that just look crap; have no logical order etc. Professionalism comes with experience - which these self publishers will probably not have.

I see nothing wrong with authors releasing additional information and books about projects like Lazarus or FPC. Just look at the volumes already written about C/C++, C#, Java etc... It's time FPC and Lazarus joins that list.

Regards,
- Graeme -

Renato wrote

Long question: how? :-P

Does the library export classes or only procedures?

You obviously don't have a clue about how to create and sell quality books. Actually selling copies is the biggest cost.

Here are some of the costs involved:
* Professional translation of a book costs 17 EUR/Page in western europe. There are nearly 800 pages, go count what it would cost. (Luckily, in the case of the Lazarus book, some of the authors translated their own text - for free)
* Translation must be checked, because technical publications use very specific terms.
* Professional layout and editing of a book costs up to a month of work of a skilled person. Cover design takes work and takes money.
* Printing (depending on the volume) costs anywhere between 6-12 EUR/book.
* The books must be transported to a storage facility.
* The distributor takes half the price of the selling price of the book (or more).

And I'm probably forgetting some...

You see that I didn't include any author's fee yet. After all the above costs, not much is left. The author gets the smallest part of the book's price.

You can of course cut some corners, but then you'll end up with the kind of pulp that Lulu sells: printing on demand. Low quality paper, bad binding, bad resolution print, no layout, no editing whatever.

Yes, you even don't have some of the above costs with PDF (as you propose). But then, all you have in the end is just a PDF.

One can of course ask whether all this is worth it for a technical publication. A rightful question. The answer is a very personal decision, and that is the risk the editor takes when (s)he decides to publish a book: it may or may not sell. The costs remain the same.

Just to show that there is more than meets the eye in publishing a book...

Michael.

Il 31/05/2011 16:27, Prado, Renato (R.P.) ha scritto:

Quick question: is it possible to use a .lib to be used with Visual C++? I only have the .h and the .lib (commercial library).

C++ does not have a binary standard, so I guess your library is a simple C library.

Is it clearly possible to compile a C++ library, but that lib could be linked only with obj files compiled with the particular compiler (name and version) used for building the lib. So, since you say it's a commercial product, I doubt they had locked themselves to a single compiler (and a specific version of it, moreover).

Sorry for my inprecise formulation. I meant "selling" in contrast to giving away for free, and "copies" only instead of downloads.

Here are some of the costs involved:

[...]

You see that I didn't include any author's fee yet. After all the above costs, not much is left. The author gets the smallest part of the book's price.

ACK :-(

I'd assign most of the work to the authors, because structuring *technical* content and translations IMO can not be done by somebody else, regardless of according skills. In detail translations should be done by the community, where native speakers also are familiar with the technical details of the text. The community also can contribute to the structure of a book, because the users (readers) often have needs or expectations *different* from the insiders view on the topics.

Yes, you even don't have some of the above costs with PDF (as you propose). But then, all you have in the end is just a PDF.

PDF was not my idea, and in that particular format I miss means for updates or personal notes or extensions. Wiki format lacks any structure, what makes it very hard to find or collect specific documentation in dedicated places. I'd be happier with HTML, where it's easier to update and reorganize the entire "book", but this again doesn't allow for book-style sequential reading. Dunno about eBook features at all.

One can of course ask whether all this is worth it for a technical publication. A rightful question. The answer is a very personal decision, and that is the risk the editor takes when (s)he decides to publish a book: it may or may not sell. The costs remain the same.

That's the difference between commercial and free projects/products: A commercial application only sells with adequate documentation, not for its outstanding technical features. It also sells only when it's easy to install and configure. This is what not only I miss with FPC and Lazarus.

DoDi

The editors may actually come (and probably, most of the time they do) with better ideas w/r/t layout and proofread even if they only collaborate with the actual authors, so that the book looks consistent... And these people do know something, they've read it all ;P and know that book layout and look count no less than actual content... I think with something as large as this book is, involving different authors and aimed at large audience (large in means of starting level as well as size) you can't possibly cut editors out... (I've read a Delphi book in the time of Delphi 7 'Holy Book', there is no way one man can do that in reasonable time...)

(I am 95% decided to buy it!)
L.

Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote

I'd assign most of the work to the authors, because structuring *technical* content and translations IMO can not be done by somebody else, regardless of according skills.

Lukasz mentioned a very valid point. If you have multiple authors, then consistency across chapters are very important to the book layout. That includes styling, screenshots, code samples etc... So somebody would have sit down and develop a "chapter style template" using OpenOffice or LaTeX or whatever the authors use. Once all chapters are written, then comes the book layout, table of content, index etc... by that time the authors of the chapters are probably not interested in that boring bit. All things that a editor can do... Yes, with eBooks there role is becoming less important, but they are still needed to some degree.

technical details of the text. The community also can contribute to the structure of a book, because the users (readers) often have needs or expectations *different* from the insiders view on the topics.

Then maybe the community must start creating a "community driven Lazarus book". Judging by how small the FPC or Lazarus community is, compared to other Open Source projects - I doubt that will ever get off the ground though.

documentation in dedicated places. I'd be happier with HTML, where it's easier to update and reorganize the entire "book", but this again doesn't allow for book-style sequential reading. Dunno about eBook personally hate HTML "books". Rather give me a PDF, EPUB, CHM or INF

book. For a community book I would suggest writing it in some text file format that allows for revision control, and then later the final output can be generated from that book source. Many such formats already exist: DocBook, LaTeX, IPF, AsciiDoc etc..

Anyway, I wish the authors well and hope their efforts with the Lazarus book has good returns. I sure hope a digital version will also become available - maybe the authors can then get a larger percentage of the profits too.

Regards,
- Graeme -

You'll have to implement an wrapper, that allows to access the objects and their methods by mere (non-OO) subroutines. That wrapper will have to be written in the language of the library (here: C++), so that it

can

use the objects provided by the library, and can call their methods.

The

headers of the wrapper have to be converted into a unit (library?),

for

use from OPL code. DoDi

By wrapper you mean generating a unit translating the interface from the .h right? After I got the unit, how can I link the .lib into my project? I would not like to create a DLL in Visual C++ with the .lib inside just to be able to use the .lib functions within Lazarus.

Thanks for the help.

Only ANSI C functions, I guess this makes the effort quite easier due to the absence of name mangling.

________________________________

The lib is quite simples (only C functions), in its documentation it refers to Visual C++ as the supported compiler, alongside its proprietary CVI (National Instruments)

A C++ library requires real code, that allows for communication with

the

C++ objects. But if the header files already contain a C style interface, no such wrapper code is required; in this case only a translation from .h into .pas is required.

Yep, that is probably the case

I have no experience in mixing FPC and C/C++ code into one executable. Both languages come with their own RTL and other libraries, which can not always coexist (initialization issues...). When the linker does

not

reqest more C-specific modules than available with FPC, it might work.

That's the main point

A DLL can be built with the Visual C++ linker, so that above issues go away.

I think that will be the plan then, thanks again

2011/6/1 Prado, Renato (R.P.) :

Only ANSI C functions, I guess this makes the effort quite easier due to the absence of name mangling.

In this case you just need to translate the .h file. No intermediary library and no C++ programming is required.

A C++ library requires real code, that allows for communication with the C++ objects. But if the header files already contain a C style interface, no such wrapper code is required; in this case only a translation from .h into .pas is required.

After I got the unit, how can I link the .lib into my project?

I have no experience in mixing FPC and C/C++ code into one executable. Both languages come with their own RTL and other libraries, which can not always coexist (initialization issues...). When the linker does not reqest more C-specific modules than available with FPC, it might work.

The linker also must understand the object format of the compiled library.

I would not like to create a DLL in Visual C++ with the .lib inside just to be able to use the .lib functions within Lazarus.

A DLL can be built with the Visual C++ linker, so that above issues go away.

DoDi

Michael Joyner wrote

$100 us dollars?

i didn't see that when i visited the site... i saw euros... 55, 60 and 70something i think... they must have placed a conversion for $US?

2011/6/1 waldo kitty :

Why must? Pay something in Euros is quiet normal in Europe. And since you can pay with Paypal, Paypal can convert other currencies to Euros.

Vincent

I can recommend the guide to using C in Freepascal projects at ftp://ftp.freepascal.org/pub/fpc/docs-pdf/CinFreePascal.pdf

I used it as a manual when writing a simple interface to the tesseract OCR library, which is also a C++ library.

Malcolm

I can recommend the guide to using C in Freepascal projects at ftp://ftp.freepascal.org/pub/fpc/docs-pdf/CinFreePascal.pdf

I wasn't able to download the PDF, do you happen to have a copy to send me, please?

Hi,

I've been trying to use Indy indy10.2.0.3 on Debian and after sometime I noticed intermittent EIdResolveError, which doesn't happen on the Windows host - I'm running Debian as Guest on Virtualbox. This problem affects all Indy components that need to resolve dns.

After debugging Indy, I realized that the problem is with NETDB's ResolveName. Indy calls ResolveName inside IdStackUnix.pas - see below. LRetVal returns -1 or 0 (can't remember which) intermittently even though network is up all the time.

The intermittent failure aside, another problem is if network is down before the program calls ResolveName, every subsequent calls of ResolveName will fail - NetAddr will always return 0.0.0.0. Is there something which I need to do to "free" ResolveName?

I've also created a test program, details below. Any thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks.

function TIdStackUnix.HostByName(const AHostName: string;
  const AIPVersion: TIdIPVersion = ID_DEFAULT_IP_VERSION): string;
var
  LI4 : array of THostAddr;
  LH4 : THostEntry;
  LI6 : array of THostAddr6;
  LRetVal : Integer;
begin
  case AIPVersion of
    ID_IPv4 :
    begin
      if GetHostByName(AHostName,LH4) then
      begin
        Result := HostAddrToStr( LH4.Addr );
        exit;
      end
      else
      begin
        SetLength(LI4, 10);
        LRetVal := ResolveName(AHostName, LI4);
        if LRetVal < 1 then begin
          raise EIdResolveError.CreateFmt(RSResolveError, [AHostName,
'Error', LRetVal]); {do not localize}
        end;
        Result := NetAddrToStr(LI4[0]);
      end;
    end;
    ID_IPv6 :
    begin
      SetLength(LI6, 10);
      LRetVal :=  ResolveName6(AHostName, LI6);
      if LRetVal < 1 then begin
        raise EIdResolveError.CreateFmt(RSResolveError, [AHostName,
LRetVal]);
      end;
      Result := NetAddrToStr6(LI6[0]);
    end;
  end;
end;

Indy Trace:

----2011-06-01 22:47:01 stacktrace:
class: EIdResolveError
message: Error resolving host ismsgateway.com: Error (-1) $0814DFB2 TIDSTACKUNIX__HOSTBYNAME, line 410 of
/home/joshua/Desktop/Data/send_20110421/indy/IdStackUnix.pas $0814C3F6 TIDSTACK__RESOLVEHOST, line 518 of
/home/joshua/Desktop/Data/send_20110421/indy/IdStack.pas $08165DF1 TIDIOHANDLERSTACK__CONNECTCLIENT, line 315 of /home/joshua/Desktop/Data/send_20110421/indy/IdIOHandlerStack.pas $08165514 TIDIOHANDLERSOCKET__OPEN, line 330 of
/home/joshua/Desktop/Data/send_20110421/indy/IdIOHandlerSocket.pas $0815C5E4 TIDTCPCLIENTCUSTOM__CONNECT, line 305 of /home/joshua/Desktop/Data/send_20110421/indy/IdTCPClient.pas $081BDAB4 TIDTELNET__CONNECT, line 376 of
/home/joshua/Desktop/Data/send_20110421/indy/IdTelnet.pas $08074EA6 TINDYTELNETTHREAD__ONTIMER, line 382 of indytelnetthread.pp

To confirm that this is not an Indy issue, I created a test console to verify that ResolveName is the one that is giving problems. Download full app source (inclusive of indy) from:-
http://www.2shared.com/file/S1U0A5zw/test_app.html

  procedure TMyApplication.DoRun;
  var
    i: integer;
      LI4 : array of THostAddr;
       LRetVal : Integer;
  begin
    try
      i := 1;
      while i < 1000 do
      begin
        try
              SetLength(LI4, 10);
              LRetVal := ResolveName('google.com', LI4);
               if LRetVal < 1 then writeln('Failed to retrieve address!');
              writeln('NetAddr:'+NetAddrToStr(LI4[0]));
        except
          on E: Exception do  begin
            DumpException(E);
          end;
        end;
      //  sleep(100);
        Inc(i);
      end;
    finally
    end;
    // stop program loop
    Terminate;
  end;

Here's the output from the console. You can also find a screen capture here showing that PING works while the DNS resolve failed - http://www.imageupload.org/?d=C894B4BF1

root at debian:/home/joshua/Desktop/Data/testapps/testpingclientconsole# ./project1
NetAddr:209.191.122.70
NetAddr:67.195.160.76
NetAddr:98.137.149.56
...............repeat........
NetAddr:67.195.160.76
NetAddr:209.191.122.70
NetAddr:98.137.149.56
NetAddr:69.147.125.65
Failed to retrieve address!
NetAddr:69.147.125.65
NetAddr:72.30.2.43
NetAddr:98.137.149.56
NetAddr:98.137.149.56
...............repeat........
NetAddr:98.137.149.56
NetAddr:69.147.125.65
NetAddr:98.137.149.56
Heap dump by heaptrc unit
753 memory blocks allocated : 23777/28248
753 memory blocks freed : 23777/28248
0 unfreed memory blocks : 0
True heap size : 131072
True free heap : 131072
root at debian:/home/joshua/Desktop/Data/testapps/testpingclientconsole#

Output from the console if network is down before console is launched, and then network is reinstated, but ResolveName does not recover:-

joshua at debian:~/Desktop/Data/testapps/testresolvenameconsole$ ./project1 Failed to retrieve address!
NetAddr:0.0.0.0
Failed to retrieve address!
NetAddr:0.0.0.0
Failed to retrieve address!
NetAddr:0.0.0.0
Failed to retrieve address!
NetAddr:0.0.0.0
Failed to retrieve address!
NetAddr:0.0.0.0
Failed to retrieve address!
NetAddr:0.0.0.0
Failed to retrieve address!
NetAddr:0.0.0.0
Failed to retrieve address!
...............repeat........

Output from Console started with network up, disabled, and then enabled again:-

joshua at debian:~/Desktop/Data/testapps/testresolvenameconsole$ ./project1 NetAddr:69.147.125.65
NetAddr:98.137.149.56
NetAddr:72.30.2.43
NetAddr:67.195.160.76
NetAddr:72.30.2.43
NetAddr:98.137.149.56
NetAddr:67.195.160.76
NetAddr:67.195.160.76
NetAddr:69.147.125.65
NetAddr:72.30.2.43
NetAddr:72.30.2.43
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joshua at debian:~/Desktop/Data/testapps/testresolvenameconsole$

Waldo didn't make a statement saying "they must do it". He simply stated what he thought happened - as to why Michael Joyner saw the $100 price tag, and he (Waldo) only saw prices in Euros.

PS:
I'm from South Africa, and I also only saw prices in Euros. So I too have no idea where Michael Joyner saw the $100 price tag?

Regards,
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If the editor authorize, this book should be translated into Portuguese by the end of the year.

Ant?nio

2011/6/2 Paul van Helden

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Yes, I looked up a converter to see what it was in US $ to see if it was affordable. It isn't.
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Rosa Riebl, the editor, has sent me a huge contract with obligations that I am not sure I could meet. I do not have a corporate structure. In addition, she has no rights over the book in English, she has said that the rights belong to a Dutch publisher. The contract she has sent forces her to give me an English translation, but it is not the one you have.

I see trouble on the horizon.

Ant?nio

2011/6/3 Michael Joyner

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Moreover, she says she has no knowledge of the market outside Germany and has no interest in publishing in Portuguese.

Ant?nio

2011/6/3 Ant?nio

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Well,

Whether she has interest or not is not really relevant, of course. It just means she thinks she won't make any money on it.

If she says the Dutch editor has the rights on the english book, then we should contact him, and ask him whether he allows translation of the english version in Portugese.
He publishes/published a pascal programming magazine in Portugese, so I'm guessing he is interested.

From my experience, I think you'll find him more easy-going.

His email address is

Michael.

I have written to this address and says he is not allowed to do so.

Ant?nio

2011/6/4 Michael Van Canneyt

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If you agree, and if the book is sold on the LazarusBrasil.Org site, I could translate and publish it myself. I could pay 10% for the authors too. The price of the book would be equivalent to 50 euros. But I need a written permission from the authors to do so, the ISBN Agency requires it. Every author must agree and send me an authorization (the process is a bit boring). You could send me the cover page image too, on which I should make some modifications.

Probably it would be in 14.8cmx21cm format, in two volumes. I think the Brazilian market is worth.

Ant?nio

2011/6/4 Ant?nio

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sadly, i have to agree... i'm much too used to going to the bookstore and purchasing a nice, thick, paper cover tech manual for $35US - $50US... more than that and it is too far out of reach :? :(

As far as I know, US distribution is being negotiated as we write this. But definitely not Print-on-Demand, since it is considered too low quality.

I have passed on the concerns over price.

Michael.

Hi,

I will contact both editors, and get back on this.

Michael.

2011/6/3 Michael Joyner :

Especially if something as epic as this costs $70 now:

http://www.man7.org/tlpi/

Henry

2011/6/5 Michael Van Canneyt

If they are not going to offer an eBook version, I, as a possible customer, am willing to accept lower quality of print in black in white if it makes the book "affordable" by me. If the cost of high quality is to high, you will be locking out potential customers who have had their disposable income dramatically reduced recenty, the US economy is still awful, and looks to get worse. I would rather have a book with a back that breaks than no book at all.

Economy of Brazil goes well, but informatics books are very expensive. Maybe I will can publish another book with 250 pages for a price of US$ 30.00. I am very eager to do so.

Ant?nio

2011/6/5 Michael Joyner :