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Source Forge copy of lazarus is 0.9.28.0 not 0.9.28.2

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Piffle the Cat

Hi All,

Just a quick note to say that I followed all the instructions on the lazarus website and managed to get 0.9.28.0 installed (with rpm's).

It did NOT work, but the next day Mandriva Spring edition OS (my current OS) notified me of 0.9.28.2 being available, and that's what I upgraded to and currently use.

Will someone please fix the Source Forge archives so that 0.9.28.0 is deleted! and replaced with 0.9.28.2

Also, why are none of the latest snapshots available on Source Forge. Not even a link to them?

When will the 0.9.29.x releases become a new standard (Stable) version of Lazarus?

I notice that whenever I have, in the past, found a bug with something, invariably one of the developers says "Oh, we fixed that in 0.9.29.x. Please download the latest snapshot."

Well, did you ever think that I want a STABLE version of lazarus and not an unstable 0.9.29.x version???

It appears to me that all the lazarus developer regard 0.9.29.x as a defacto STABLE version, but have not pulled out their collective proverbial fingers to release it as a new Stable version.

Think of the publicity for a new Christmas release of a stable all-singing version of lazarus.

I for one don't wish to use a non-stable version of lazarus.

Thanks in advance,
Peter Eric Williams
Hobart, Australia
http://pewink.info -- personal homepage including many Delphi 5 & 7 source.

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Vincent Snijders
to Piffle the Cat

2010/12/17 Piffle the Cat :

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Hi All, Will someone please fix the Source Forge archives so that 0.9.28.0 is deleted! and replaced with 0.9.28.2

Where did you look for rpms?
64 bits: http://sourceforge.net/projects/lazarus/files/Lazarus%20Linux%20x86_64%20RPM/ 32 bits: http://sourceforge.net/projects/lazarus/files/Lazarus%20Linux%20i386%20RPM/

If possible we don't delete old releases. It is against SourceForge policy too.

Vincent

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Piffle the Cat
to Vincent Snijders

Hi Vincent,

Vincent Snijders wrote 8 lines
2010/12/17 Piffle the Cat : > Hi All, > > Will someone please fix the Source Forge archives so that 0.9.28.0 is > deleted! and replaced with 0.9.28.2 > Where did you look for rpms?

It was 32 bits, so I guess the latter one.

64 bits: http://sourceforge.net/projects/lazarus/files/Lazarus%20Linux%20x86_64%20RPM/ 32 bits: http://sourceforge.net/projects/lazarus/files/Lazarus%20Linux%20i386%20RPM/ If possible we don't delete old releases. It is against SourceForge policy too.

As a developer of lazarus, don't you find that confusing?

Why is my latest "STABLE" version of lazarus 0.9.29.2 beta for Linux Mandriva 2010 Spring edition (as updated yesterday it is 0.9.28.2) and yet everyone seems to use the development version of 0.9.29.2 unstable from the daily snapshot.

What possible benefits are there is my downloading the unstable version, which even the site tells me has no guarantees of working or not.

I am a poet and a casual (part-time) programmer. I have been using Delphi as a part-time hobby ever since Delphi 3 and also used 5 and 7 Enterprise versions.

I have excellent html skills and passable database skills. I consider myself to have very good ANSI Pascal skills, but not too advanced in OO-Pascal. E.g. I need to learn the OO methodologies and techniques.

I have completed about 15 or so games in Delphi 5 and 7 ... some of these were ports from BASIC or C games.

Best Regards,
PEW

Vincent

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Sven Barth
to Piffle the Cat
Piffle the Cat wrote
As a developer of lazarus, don't you find that confusing?

Why do you think this should be confusing?

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Why is my latest "STABLE" version of lazarus 0.9.29.2 beta for Linux Mandriva 2010 Spring edition (as updated yesterday it is 0.9.28.2) and yet everyone seems to use the development version of 0.9.29.2 unstable from the daily snapshot.

Just a small correction: there is no 0.9.29.2, only 0.9.29.

What possible benefits are there is my downloading the unstable version, which even the site tells me has no guarantees of working or not.

The point is that many bugs have been fixed in the development version, but no new stable version could be released yet, because the developers waited for the release of FPC 2.4.2 (FPC 2.4.0 contained some bugs and thus wasn't suitable for a new release of Lazarus). With the new release of FPC out in the wild I now hope that the developers will do a new release (0.9.30) in the near future :)

Regards,
Sven

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Graeme Geldenhuys
to Sven Barth
Sven Barth wrote
With the new release of FPC out in the wild I now hope that the developers will do a new release (0.9.30) in the near future :)

For all intense purposes, that is only possible once Lazarus 0.9.29 actually becomes stable - currently it is far from that.

Regards, ? - Graeme - _______________________________________________ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://opensoft.homeip.net:8080/fpgui/

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Sven Barth
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Graeme Geldenhuys wrote 6 lines
On 18 December 2010 14:18, Sven Barth wrote: > With the new release of FPC out in the wild I now hope that the developers > will do a new release (0.9.30) in the near future :) For all intense purposes, that is only possible once Lazarus 0.9.29 actually becomes stable - currently it is far from that.

I can't confirm that. I'm very near at the head of trunk and only have minor issues so far in the IDE.

Regards,
Sven

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Vincent Snijders
to Graeme Geldenhuys: For all intense purposes, that is only possible once Lazarus 0.9.29 actually becomes…

2010/12/18 Graeme Geldenhuys :

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On 18 December 2010 14:18, Sven Barth wrote: > With the new release of FPC out in the wild I now hope that the developers > will do a new release (0.9.30) in the near future :) For all intense purposes, that is only possible once Lazarus 0.9.29 actually becomes stable - currently it is far from that.

What issues do you have with 0.9.29?

I am thinking about a release some weeks away, not months, but if you think it is unstable, we have to reschedule.

Vincent

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Graeme Geldenhuys
to Vincent Snijders
Vincent Snijders wrote
I am thinking about a release some weeks away, not months, but if you think it is unstable, we have to reschedule.

My 0.9.29 copy is about 4 weeks old now. I found a revision that worked well enough (with a few of my local patches) so I can continue my work. I'll get another update now and report any issues I find.

Regards, ? - Graeme - _______________________________________________ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://opensoft.homeip.net:8080/fpgui/

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Peter E Williams
to Graeme Geldenhuys: For all intense purposes, that is only possible once Lazarus 0.9.29 actually becomes…

Hi Graeme and All,

see bottom post.

Graeme Geldenhuys wrote 9 lines
On 18 December 2010 14:18, Sven Barth wrote: > With the new release of FPC out in the wild I now hope that the developers > will do a new release (0.9.30) in the near future :) For all intense purposes, that is only possible once Lazarus 0.9.29 actually becomes stable - currently it is far from that.

I think that it would benefit everyone IF you could please define HOW and WHEN is a new trunk of lazarus deemed to be stable?

What is the criteria for whether or not it is stable and a new stable release will be made?

How far into the future does this look?

Is the process of finding bugs and adding new features iterative and sometimes can be exponential?

How far down this process does the team proceed before they attempt to freeze development for a new stable release?

PEW

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-- Regards, - Graeme - _______________________________________________ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://opensoft.homeip.net:8080/fpgui/ -- _______________________________________________ Lazarus mailing list http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus

Fond Regards, Peter Eric WILLIAMS
--- Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
--- Phone: +61 (03) 6236-9675
My free websites are: http://pewink.info (&)
http://pewslinuxvault.googlepages.com
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patspiper
to Sven Barth: I can't confirm that. I'm very near at the head of trunk and only have minor issues so…
Sven Barth wrote 15 lines
On 18.12.2010 15:02, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > On 18 December 2010 14:18, Sven Barth > wrote: >> With the new release of FPC out in the wild I now hope that the >> developers >> will do a new release (0.9.30) in the near future :) > > For all intense purposes, that is only possible once Lazarus 0.9.29 > actually becomes stable - currently it is far from that. I can't confirm that. I'm very near at the head of trunk and only have minor issues so far in the IDE. Regards, Sven

Neither can I. I update from SVN very frequently and find most revisions stable (except for a few known IDE bugs).

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patspiper
to Vincent Snijders: 2010/12/18 Graeme Geldenhuys : What issues do you have with 0.9.29? I am thinking about a…
Vincent Snijders wrote 13 lines
2010/12/18 Graeme Geldenhuys: > On 18 December 2010 14:18, Sven Barth wrote: >> With the new release of FPC out in the wild I now hope that the developers >> will do a new release (0.9.30) in the near future :) > For all intense purposes, that is only possible once Lazarus 0.9.29 > actually becomes stable - currently it is far from that. > What issues do you have with 0.9.29? I am thinking about a release some weeks away, not months, but if you think it is unstable, we have to reschedule. Vincent

The most annoying issue for me is
http://mantis.freepascal.org/view.php?id=17565

Stephano

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Martin
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patspiper wrote 18 lines
On 12/18/2010 05:17 PM, Vincent Snijders wrote: > 2010/12/18 Graeme Geldenhuys: >> On 18 December 2010 14:18, Sven Barth >> wrote: >>> With the new release of FPC out in the wild I now hope that the >>> developers >>> will do a new release (0.9.30) in the near future :) >> For all intense purposes, that is only possible once Lazarus 0.9.29 >> actually becomes stable - currently it is far from that. >> > What issues do you have with 0.9.29? > > I am thinking about a release some weeks away, not months, but if you > think it is unstable, we have to reschedule. > > Vincent The most annoying issue for me is http://mantis.freepascal.org/view.php?id=17565

You've seen the workaround though? It doesn't fix it, and it's still annoying, but at least you can restore the menu as enabled

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Peter E Williams
to Peter E Williams: see bottom post. I think that it would benefit everyone IF you could please define HOW and

ps - I sent this from my wrong gmail account.

Fond Regards, Peter Eric WILLIAMS
--- Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
--- Phone: +61 (03) 6236-9675
My free websites are: http://pewink.info (&)
http://pewslinuxvault.googlepages.com
My free blog is: patientxmarksthespot.wordpress.com

Peter E Williams wrote 59 lines
Hi Graeme and All, see bottom post. On 19 December 2010 01:02, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > On 18 December 2010 14:18, Sven Barth > wrote: > > With the new release of FPC out in the wild I now hope that the > developers > > will do a new release (0.9.30) in the near future :) > > For all intense purposes, that is only possible once Lazarus 0.9.29 > actually becomes stable - currently it is far from that. > > I think that it would benefit everyone IF you could please define HOW and WHEN is a new trunk of lazarus deemed to be stable? What is the criteria for whether or not it is stable and a new stable release will be made? How far into the future does this look? Is the process of finding bugs and adding new features iterative and sometimes can be exponential? How far down this process does the team proceed before they attempt to freeze development for a new stable release? PEW > > -- > > Regards, > - Graeme - > > > _______________________________________________ > fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit > http://opensoft.homeip.net:8080/fpgui/ > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Lazarus mailing list > > http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus > Fond Regards, Peter Eric WILLIAMS --- Hobart, Tasmania, Australia --- Phone: +61 (03) 6236-9675 My free websites are: http://pewink.info (&) http://pewslinuxvault.googlepages.com

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