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Lazarus 1.1

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Graeme Geldenhuys
to Juha Manninen
Juha Manninen wrote
While searching at something else I also noticed that Developer "DaimlerChrysler Financiera" has released Lazarus 1.1 :

And since when has it won any awards? No factual information exists on that site.

Regards, ? - Graeme -

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Martin
to Juha Manninen: Congratulations for the new FPC 2.4.2 release. While searching at something else I also…
Juha Manninen wrote 9 lines
Congratulations for the new FPC 2.4.2 release. While searching at something else I also noticed that Developer "DaimlerChrysler Financiera" has released Lazarus 1.1 : http://lazarus.software.informer.com/1.1/ I don't know what is the idea of such downloads. The screenshots are about 0.9.26.2.

It looks like a scam, or worse.

1) there is no lazarus download.
Clicking download leads to a page that lets you eiteher:
- scan your PC (I have not/will not do, but I can guess it will find something, even so nothing is there.
- download siinst.exe (supposingly a software updater but this download exists only the first time, then a cookie prevents it from being displayed?
googling it, shos 100 of pages offering it, and alos at least 2 pages like this:
http://angui123.cn/VirusEncyclopedia/3232.html
http://www.prevx.com/filenames/992203412255399746-X1/SIINST.EXE.html

enough to stay away

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Max Vlasov
to Martin
Martin wrote 9 lines
Clicking download leads to a page that lets you eiteher: - scan your PC (I have not/will not do, but I can guess it will find something, even so nothing is there. - download siinst.exe (supposingly a software updater but this download exists only the first time, then a cookie prevents it from being displayed? googling it, shos 100 of pages offering it, and alos at least 2 pages like this:

Good point, I submitted a report at their support with a link to your post in the archive. 1620 downloads of Lazarus means that this resource is comparatively popular and possibly they have some automatic robots approach someone else took advantage of.

Max Vlasov
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Mark Morgan Lloyd
to Martin: It looks like a scam, or worse. 1) there is no lazarus download. Clicking download leads…
Martin wrote 26 lines
On 13/11/2010 10:40, Juha Manninen wrote: > Congratulations for the new FPC 2.4.2 release. > > While searching at something else I also noticed that Developer > "DaimlerChrysler Financiera" has released Lazarus 1.1 : > > http://lazarus.software.informer.com/1.1/ > > I don't know what is the idea of such downloads. > The screenshots are about 0.9.26.2. It looks like a scam, or worse. 1) there is no lazarus download. Clicking download leads to a page that lets you eiteher: - scan your PC (I have not/will not do, but I can guess it will find something, even so nothing is there. - download siinst.exe (supposingly a software updater but this download exists only the first time, then a cookie prevents it from being displayed? googling it, shos 100 of pages offering it, and alos at least 2 pages like this: http://angui123.cn/VirusEncyclopedia/3232.html http://www.prevx.com/filenames/992203412255399746-X1/SIINST.EXE.html enough to stay away

I took a look since we don't use PCs. There's the usual crap associated with scams like Software Informer but ultimately there's a reference to http://server03.orbitmedical.com/applications/lazarusprototype/LazarusPrototype.application which no longer exists.

Do any of these people appear in download logs?

Mark Morgan Lloyd markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk [Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues]

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Michael Joyner
to Florian Klämpfl: It's for the people who think that calling something 1.x instead of 0.99.x changes…

*deer eyed in the headlights look*

"But it does! It does! it's a bigger number!"

Psychology. Having a 1.x release is good for the psychology of the end-users.
Having a set release release schedule w/ major version bumps is good for the psychology of the end-users.
No amount of developer attachment to 0.9XXXX will change this. No amount of explaining why 1.X is not ready yet will change this.

Florian Kl?mpfl wrote 14 lines
Am 13.11.2010 11:40, schrieb Juha Manninen: > I don't know what is the idea of such downloads. It's for the people who think that calling something 1.x instead of 0.99.x changes anything. -- _______________________________________________ Lazarus mailing list http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
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Marco van de Voort
to Michael Joyner
Michael Joyner wrote 6 lines
*deer eyed in the headlights look* "But it does! It does! it's a bigger number!" Psychology. Having a 1.x release is good for the psychology of the end-users.

If one wants to apply marketing matras, you must also check if all border conditions are satisfied. In off-the-shelf sales, such psychologic tricks work because of impulse buys.

But in the case of open source, the kickback is bugfixes and other contributions, something less impulse driven and more long term (and I don't assume the satisfcation of increasing the number lasts very long, or otherwise the next release would be 14.0)

The classic OSS versioning anecdote is Slackware jumping from 4.0 to 7.0, just because Patrick Volkerding got tired of questions why he still based on "old" Linux 4.0, when other distro's
(which is totally nonsense since distro versioning is without any meaning)

Having a set release release schedule w/ major version bumps is good for the psychology of the end-users. No amount of developer attachment to 0.9XXXX will change this. No amount of explaining why 1.X is not ready yet will change this.

I doubt that. I do believe it would save some questions, but I don't think it would significantly impact fpc/lazarus "revenues" (as in quality feedback)

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