I would very much prefer to interact with the Lazarus mail list via a news interface and Gmane has a mirror of this list in just such a format. (see news.gmane.org)

So I can read everything that way, but unfortunately whenever I post a reply via the Gmane news server it never shows up even though I have replied to the authentication email sent by Gmane on my first posting.

Can someone here plesase verify if it is possible to post to the mail list via the Gmane news server?
If so what settings are needed? I use Forte (Free) Agent ver 1.92/32.572

Riht now I have enabled mail delivery, but since my email program is Outlook 2003 it is not really suited to list communications and all the trafic here fills up my inbox too much too.

Grateful for any hints/advice on this!

I use Mozilla Thunderbird and PAN, and I have the same problem. This problem is also only limited to Lazarus mailing list, because for that exact same email accoun, I have subscribed to other mailing lists, and can post via Gmane news interface.

I post messages using my subscription to the mailing list via email, and read them using gmane :_) (I have email sending off in mailing list settings)

Posting via nntp on gmane has proven to be problematic (with the gmail = googlemail duality - gmane converted @gmail to @googlemail (or v/v) and the mailing list did not tolerate that).

HTH,
Lukasz

But it means having to activate the mail delivery option in the list and thereby getting
a *lot* of messages into the regular inbox...
Otherwise it is very difficult to reply to the messages. I also use gmail and that may be why the GMane system does not work? If I change to a different account, will I then have better luck?

Bo Berglund wrote

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Lukasz Sokol wrote: >

[...]

> I post messages using my subscription to the mailing list via email, and > read them using gmane :_) (I have email sending off in mailing list settings) >

Please read the above carefully ;)

It wasn't gmane (only).
It was the mailing list server, thinking I posted from @googlemail where in fact my address (putting it into gmane From: field) was @gmail (could that be gmane trying to be smart ? Dunno. I have in fact received a complaint from the mailing list server that the @googlemail address was seen used and it wasn't recognized.)

So to rephrase my setup :
- I have the gmane.comp.ide.lazarus.general set as nntp subscription,
- I have the subscription with email delivery OFF
- I hit 'reply' on the nntp view in Thunderbird, then manually replace 'Newsgroup:' to 'To:' and enter the lazarus at lists address (Thunderbird hints it nicely)

- Warning: unfortunately this method does not preserve cc: list.

HTH, Lukasz

That is what I tried too and of course my initial posts could be sent that way. But in order to reply to a comment on a thread I need to do "reply" and this is what is not working via Forte Agent newsreader even though I have set my gmail address into the Agent configuration and the first time I posted I received a confirmation email from Gmane in order for them to forward my postings to the lazarus mail list.
Such postings never make it...
If I just post a new message via GMail (web page) then the thread is not preserved and the reply gets moved out of context....

So I had to enable the email delivery so I get the replies into my mail account, but this leads to a flood of mail that I am not interested in too... And it only works when I am at home, see below.

OK, I see you are using Thunderbird (an email client) as your news reader! This may explain why you can work with mail delivery off. Unfortunately I cannot do this in Agent since it is not an email client and additionally at work I am behind a corporate firewall that does not allow outside email
access, except via http (like GMail). So I cannot send anything except via my work email and I don't want to compromise that by publishing the address on a mail list/news system...

I will have to try and subscribe using a completely different mail account.

Bo B

Lukasz Sokol wrote

- I hit 'reply' on the nntp view in Thunderbird, then manually replace 'Newsgroup:' to 'To:' and enter the lazarus at lists address (Thunderbird hints it nicely)

I believe it doesn't preserve the message threading either. Who replied to what email.

2010/9/27 Lukasz Sokol :

Posting via nntp on gmane has proven to be problematic (with the gmail = googlemail duality - gmane converted @gmail to @googlemail (or v/v) and the mailing list did not tolerate that).

If that is a problem, you can subscibe with both a @gmail and a @googlemail account and set both accounts to no mail.

Vincent

2010/9/27 Bo Berglund :

Do you have an idea, why you cannot post using gmane?

Vincent

Do you have an idea, why you cannot post using gmane? Vincent

No, but this is what I am asking for. It is extremely annoying that the lazarus
and fpc newsgroups are the only I cannot post to via GMANE no matter which email account I use....
I have tried my gmail account and now a Swedish mail account. Both receive GMANE authorization requests which I reply to and nothing appears anyway. Really no good.

Bo Berglund

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2010/9/27 Bo Berglund :

Same thing happens here. I tried my Gmail and work email accounts. I also get the gmane authentication email, reply to it as I should, but still no posts via Gmane gets to Lazarus. Doing the same thing and posting to the MSEgui mailing list via Gmane, and posting to the tiOPF mailing list via Gmane works fine - using any of my email addresses.

2010/9/27 Graeme Geldenhuys :

I found out what is wrong on
http://gmane.org/list-address.php?group=gmane.comp.ide.lazarus.general.

An old list address is used, it should be
any of the gmane users
contact gmane to correct it?

Vincent

I have sent the maintainer an email asking for a change now.

Bo B

doesn't your mail reader have filtering capabilities so you can toss those messages into dedicated folders for them? my thunderbird sure does and all mail is placed into special folders for reading... my folder for this area is under a top level "programing" folder, a "pascal" folder and then a "lazarus" folder... offlist private messages are handled similarly...

programing/pascal/lazarus
programing/pascal/lazarus/offlist

other emails, plain and lists related, are stored in similar fashion... it keeps the inbox uncluttered except for things that have not yet had filters written for them... some of those never will but still...

the point is, learn your software and how to use it then put it to work /for/ you instead of it making you work ;)

Yes, I am using Outlook 2003 and it has these capabilities for sure. In fact I have set it up to stuff away the messages, but there are just too many of them anyway.
And there is no real overview available like what one gets with a newsreader like Agent. Threaded by topic and indented by sequence, try doing tha with Outlook...

I have used this mail client (or its predecessors) since about 1997 or so and I have a lot of messages saved that are work related.

But I do not want to expand it into being a repository for the mail lists too when we have news mirrors like GMANE available.

Finally, the problems are coming from a misconfiguration on the GMANE server itself as was discovered by Vincent Snijders, so I hope that the GMANE maintainer will fix the problem after he has read my report to him.

Bo B

Nicely organized. :-)

the point is, learn your software and how to use it then put it to work /for/ you instead of it making you work ;)

The major difference with using NNTP, is that you can easily switch systems (Home, work, laptop) and have all "last read" message status marked correctly - that's if your news profile directory lives on a flashdrive, or is synced with a flashdrive. Our company also didn't allow us to check work emails from outside the company. This is why I setup a dedicated Gmail account - accessible from everywhere and last read message status is still in tact.

I guess one could setup Thunderbird's profile directory to be on a flashdrive too, just never tried it myself yet.

Vincent Snijders wrote

An old list address is used, it should be any of the gmane users contact gmane to correct it?

Thanks Vincent, I'll wait a few days and try again.

that's why i don't use lookout for /ANY/thing :P there are much better apps for news and email ;)

I have used this mail client (or its predecessors) since about 1997 or so and I have a lot of messages saved that are work related.

i can understand that... my archives go back to about 1995 or so... and that's not counting all the stuff i have archived from my UUCICO days before the "internet" came along :P

But I do not want to expand it into being a repository for the mail lists too when we have news mirrors like GMANE available.

understood... i just don't understand using a news feed for mailing lists, i guess...

Finally, the problems are coming from a misconfiguration on the GMANE server itself as was discovered by Vincent Snijders, so I hope that the GMANE maintainer will fix the problem after he has read my report to him.

yes, i saw that later... i hope that my post was not taken in a bad light but i do have my asbestos panties on if anyone feels like aiming their flame thrower in my direction instead of at /dev/nul ;)

I believe different - see message headers of what I am sending - my thunderbird shows the threads correctly (i am reading the gmane newsgroup with it)

(This has gone way off-topic, expecting off-topic police to show up...)

:)
Lukasz

I have now gotten a reply by the maintainer of GMANE that he has changed the address to which the server forwards the posted messages. So I am now replying to my own post via the newsserver. Kepp fingers crossed and hope that it will now work properly!

BosseB wrote

I have now gotten a reply by the maintainer of GMANE that he has changed the address to which the server forwards the posted messages. So I am now replying to my own post via the newsserver. Kepp fingers crossed and hope that it will now work properly!

looks like that may have been it! ;)

glad to see that the problem was found and corrected :)

BosseB wrote

... Kepp fingers crossed and hope that it will now work properly!

Thanks for your effort Bo!