"Also, seems not possible to make it any better. Andreas Hausladen invest their valuable time to make lazarus LCL code compatible with VCL and the Lazarus developers refuse to accept the code, just coz them don't want it. An episode that make me wonder if I should work with lazarus any time in future, I found it an absurd." -- Cesar Romero (2010-04-09)
https://forums.embarcadero.com/thread.jspa?threadID=35581&tstart=15

Is this true? When did Andreas supply patches?

2010/5/13 Graeme Geldenhuys :

You are asking about a comment from some guy talking about a patch from some another guy. You are a troll.

Gustavo

Yes, sure. I remember that some years ago it was claiming that Lazarus developers were rude to him. But I searched the Lazarus mailling lists archives and I found it to be a complete lie, which shows a total lack of ethics by who claimed it.

You can also search the lazarus mailling list archives and see which contributions he made and that there was never any trouble or any patch refused without reason:

http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Flists.lazarus.freepascal.org%2Fpipermail%2Flazarus%2F+Andreas+Hausladen&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:pt-BR:official&client=firefox-a

Including when his patch wasn't applied because it required improvement:

http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/pipermail/lazarus/2003-November/014445.html

And the patch was about making the LCL compilable with Delphi and not about LCL being compatible with VCL

This is just plain trolling of the worse kind and I don't see why anyone would start such false claims except by having absolute no honor.

In 2003. He ported LCL to Delphi. That was refused.

Mattias

Gustavo Enrique Jimenez wrote

You are asking about a comment from some guy talking about a patch from some another guy. You are a troll.

Uh? I quoted what I read in the Embarcadero Forum. I am referring to "Andreas Hausladen", a very well known and respected Delphi/Kylix developers, contributing to Lazarus - but his patches was rejected.

* Did he contribute to Lazarus?
* Was his patches rejected? If so, why?

If this was true, then it must have been before my time with Lazarus (last 4-5 years).

Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote

And ?the patch was about making the LCL compilable with Delphi and not about LCL being compatible with VCL

Thanks for the links.

This is just plain trolling of the worse kind and I don't see why anyone would start such false claims except by having absolute no honor.

I guess something one can expect from the Embarcadero Non-Technical Forum. :)

Mattias Gaertner wrote

> > Is this true? ?When did Andreas supply patches? In 2003. He ported LCL to Delphi. That was refused.

OK so the poster I quoted had it all wrong - suggesting that the patches was to improve LCL and make LCL more VCL compatible. Thanks for clearing that up.

I don't know this special case but it sounded a bit familiar to me. I also found that some of the main contributors to Lazarus behave quite rude from time to time (maybe they don't even notice theirself anymore). Some behave like censors (not like moderators of a an open source platform), oppressing mails because they dislike them.

I haven't experienced this, can you point me to some threads/messages that exhibits this rude behaviour from Lazarus devs?

Henry

A mailing list is simply a mirror of human society.

We are all human, and sometimes people get tired of discussing or explaining the same thing over and over again. This is not an excuse for being rude, but it does explain partly why it sometimes happens.

Also, let us not forget that the teams are subject to a lot of critique themselves, often not very subtly formulated. This can get very tiring, and not all people handle this equally well.

They are all volunteers, and even volunteers need encouragement to counter-balance the critique.

Being rude or oppressing mails is definitely not something which is planned or institutional, or even condoned. If it happens anyway, other members of the team usually point it out in private or through the team's own channels.

That's just 12 years of experience on the FPC/Lazarus mailing list alone, and from what I've seen it happens on other mailing lists as well.

Michael.

Henry Vermaak wrote

I haven't experienced this, can you point me to some threads/messages that exhibits this rude behaviour from Lazarus devs?

There's one happened recently in Russian community. But in the end it turned out to be another discussion about "why patch was rejected". The reason turned out to be "lack of description for the patch". And it was nothing rude about the dev team.

It looks like every time a patch being rejected, the author of the patch blames the team being rude (despite their answers being polite). Is "Sorry but no, because of ..." rude, after all?

I've some patches being rejected by both teams (FPC and Lazarus), but never find anything rude about this.

thanks,
dmitry

I've never seen Cesaro contribute anything constructive. Even from the negative point of view.

I battle with Rudy now and then, and IMHO he is also staunchly negative, but at least he provides insights and info in his discussions.

I've been lurking the lists on and off since 2005 and I haven't seen that either.

Relegating threads that are not focussed on improving FPC/Lazarus anymore to fpc-other is IMHO perfectly fine behaviour.

It's the same patter as elsewhere in this thread. People with rejected patches, and more often "ideas" how it "should" be tend to discuss incessantly just to make their point.

But if the majority (if not all) developers already discounted it, the thread is no longer about improving fpc/lazarus, and thus offtopic on the main maillists. The fact that FPC even provides room (fpc-other) for such discussions to continue is IMHO already the contradiction to the fact that this is about censoring of unwanted ideas.