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Wanted: new maintainer for git mirror

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Silvio Clecio
to Vincent Snijders

Why we not let "imperialism" and continue with Graeme?

Apologizing does not hurt anyone!

Vincent Snijders wrote 16 lines
Hi, I am looking for a new maintainer for a git mirror. See http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/git_mirrors#Replicated_Lazarus_mirror for details. Thanks, Vincent -- _______________________________________________ Lazarus mailing list http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
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Michael Van Canneyt
to Silvio Clecio: Why we not let "imperialism" and continue with Graeme? Apologizing does not hurt anyone!…

It is not 'imperialism'.

If Graeme wanted to do it, he could perfectly do it.

But Graeme himself no longer wants to do it, so Vincent needs someone else to do it if the Lazarus team wants to offer a git mirror.

Also, Graeme is no longer subscribed to the list, and has missed the apologies by Paul Ishenin. I have notified him that they have been offered.

Michael.

Silvio Clecio wrote 42 lines
Why we not let "imperialism" and continue with Graeme? Apologizing does not hurt anyone! Vincent Snijders escreveu: > Hi, > > I am looking for a new maintainer for a git mirror. > > See > http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/git_mirrors#Replicated_Lazarus_mirror > for details. > > Thanks, > Vincent > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Lazarus mailing list > > http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus -- []'s Silvio Cl?cio -- programmer ObjectPascal - Blog: http://blog.silvioprog.com.br programmer ObjectPascal - Site: http://www.silvioprog.com.br programmer ObjectPascal - Twitter: http://twitter.com/silvioprog -- grupo Lazarus-BR no Google - http://groups.google.com/group/lazarus-br/ -- Mensagem assinada com PGP Public Key, Ver.: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) -- _______________________________________________ Lazarus mailing list http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus

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Silvio Clecio
to Vincent Snijders: Sure, by all means I prefer that Graeme continues to update the Lazarus git mirror. But…

But something happened to Graeme, to it not want more.

If it turns out, will be sorely missed in project Lazarus.

Vincent Snijders wrote 9 lines
Silvio Clecio schreef: > Why we not let "imperialism" and continue with Graeme? > Sure, by all means I prefer that Graeme continues to update the Lazarus git mirror. But he says he wants to close done his mirror. http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php?title=git_mirrors&oldid=41342#Replicated_Lazarus_mirror Vincent
[]'s Silvio Cl?cio -- programmer ObjectPascal - Blog: http://blog.silvioprog.com.br programmer ObjectPascal - Site: http://www.silvioprog.com.br programmer ObjectPascal - Twitter: http://twitter.com/silvioprog -- grupo Lazarus-BR no Google - http://groups.google.com/group/lazarus-br/ -- Mensagem assinada com PGP Public Key, Ver.: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)

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Silvio Clecio
to Michael Van Canneyt: It is not 'imperialism'. If Graeme wanted to do it, he could perfectly do it. But Graeme…
Michael Van Canneyt wrote 11 lines
It is not 'imperialism'. If Graeme wanted to do it, he could perfectly do it. But Graeme himself no longer wants to do it, so Vincent needs someone else to do it if the Lazarus team wants to offer a git mirror. Also, Graeme is no longer subscribed to the list, and has missed the apologies by Paul Ishenin. I have notified him that they have been offered.

Hi Michael,

Yes, Paul Ishenin is a man of good heart.

But it is very simple, just get in touch with Graeme in PVT and apologize to him. Because the thread[?], was a misunderstanding.

[?] - "Is Lazarus project in a downward spiral?"

Michael.
[]'s Silvio Cl?cio -- programmer ObjectPascal - Blog: http://blog.silvioprog.com.br programmer ObjectPascal - Site: http://www.silvioprog.com.br programmer ObjectPascal - Twitter: http://twitter.com/silvioprog -- grupo Lazarus-BR no Google - http://groups.google.com/group/lazarus-br/ -- Mensagem assinada com PGP Public Key, Ver.: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)

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Michael Van Canneyt
to Silvio Clecio
Silvio Clecio wrote 19 lines
Michael Van Canneyt escreveu: > > It is not 'imperialism'. > > If Graeme wanted to do it, he could perfectly do it. > > But Graeme himself no longer wants to do it, so Vincent needs someone > else to do it if the Lazarus team wants to offer a git mirror. > > Also, Graeme is no longer subscribed to the list, and has missed > the apologies by Paul Ishenin. I have notified him that they have been > offered. Hi Michael, Yes, Paul Ishenin is a man of good heart. But it is very simple, just get in touch with Graeme in PVT and apologize to him. Because the thread[?], was a misunderstanding.

I am in contact with Graeme.

Paul apologized for the Lazarus team. I have communicated this to Graeme.

I don't think I have used any abusing language or said anything that I should personally apologize for to Graeme. If there was any need, I'm pretty sure he would tell me.

Michael.

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Silvio Clecio
to Michael Van Canneyt
Michael Van Canneyt wrote 31 lines
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Silvio Clecio wrote: > Michael Van Canneyt escreveu: >> >> It is not 'imperialism'. >> >> If Graeme wanted to do it, he could perfectly do it. >> >> But Graeme himself no longer wants to do it, so Vincent needs someone >> else to do it if the Lazarus team wants to offer a git mirror. >> >> Also, Graeme is no longer subscribed to the list, and has missed >> the apologies by Paul Ishenin. I have notified him that they have been >> offered. > > Hi Michael, > > Yes, Paul Ishenin is a man of good heart. > > But it is very simple, just get in touch with Graeme in PVT and > apologize to him. Because the thread[?], was a misunderstanding. I am in contact with Graeme. Paul apologized for the Lazarus team. I have communicated this to Graeme. I don't think I have used any abusing language or said anything that I should personally apologize for to Graeme. If there was any need, I'm pretty sure he would tell me. Michael.

Ok my friend. Let's wait for a contact, I think no one was expecting this reaction from the Graeme.

Graeme is a very important piece of the Lazarus project.

[]'s Silvio Cl?cio -- programmer ObjectPascal - Blog: http://blog.silvioprog.com.br programmer ObjectPascal - Site: http://www.silvioprog.com.br programmer ObjectPascal - Twitter: http://twitter.com/silvioprog -- grupo Lazarus-BR no Google - http://groups.google.com/group/lazarus-br/ -- Mensagem assinada com PGP Public Key, Ver.: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)

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Cox, Stuart TRAN:EX
to Michael Van Canneyt: It is not 'imperialism'. If Graeme wanted to do it, he could perfectly do it. But Graeme…

I'm a small time developer whose skills at GUI IDE development is I didn't make any comments during the time of the thread that saw Graeme depart, please forward on my apologies and thanks for the efforts, comments and work that he's done over time.

It's indeed a shame to lose someone and particularly to lose someone over hard feelings and the perception of irresolvable differences in direction.

Teamwork and partnerships toward a common goal need to maintain respect. Can the rift be repaired? I, for one, hope so.

Lazarus development isn't a democracy nor is the goal defined by any one person. The goal is elusive and being future can't be seen clearly.

I will miss Graeme, can't the rift be repaired, please?

Stu Cox

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-----Original Message----- From: Michael Van Canneyt [mailto:] Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2010 4:03 AM To: Lazarus mailing list Subject: Re: [Lazarus] Wanted: new maintainer for git mirror It is not 'imperialism'. If Graeme wanted to do it, he could perfectly do it. But Graeme himself no longer wants to do it, so Vincent needs someone else to do it if the Lazarus team wants to offer a git mirror. Also, Graeme is no longer subscribed to the list, and has missed the apologies by Paul Ishenin. I have notified him that they have been offered. Michael. On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Silvio Clecio wrote: > Why we not let "imperialism" and continue with Graeme? > > Apologizing does not hurt anyone! > > Vincent Snijders escreveu: >> Hi, >> >> I am looking for a new maintainer for a git mirror. >> >> See >> http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/git_mirrors#Replicated_Lazarus_mir >> ror >> for details. >> >> Thanks, >> Vincent >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Lazarus mailing list >> >> http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus > > > -- > []'s > > Silvio Cl?cio > -- > programmer ObjectPascal - Blog: http://blog.silvioprog.com.br > programmer ObjectPascal - Site: http://www.silvioprog.com.br > programmer ObjectPascal - Twitter: http://twitter.com/silvioprog > -- > grupo Lazarus-BR no Google - > http://groups.google.com/group/lazarus-br/ > -- > Mensagem assinada com PGP Public Key, Ver.: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Lazarus mailing list > > http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus >

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Jonathan
to Vincent Snijders: I am looking for a new maintainer for a git mirror. See…
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Hi, I am looking for a new maintainer for a git mirror. See http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/git_mirrors#Replicated_Lazarus_mirror for details. Thanks, Vincent

I need this mirror!
How about making this mirror part of main website, an official mirror? Doing the svn to git on the same server would save a lot of bandwidth. Please note I'm NOT talking about replacing the svn repo.

This is abit off topic but Graeme Geldenhuys was the last and first git mirror maintenance. Graeme Geldenhuys go out side see the sun enjoy "real life" for abit then try another programing languages another IDE's get upset with then and come back in your own good time, we will be waiting.

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Jesus Reyes
to Cox, Stuart TRAN:EX: I'm a small time developer whose skills at GUI IDE development is I didn't make any…

--- El mar 9-mar-10, Cox, Stuart TRAN:EX escribi?:

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De:: Cox, Stuart TRAN:EX Asunto: Re: [Lazarus] Wanted: new maintainer for git mirror A: "Lazarus mailing list" Fecha: martes, 9 de marzo de 2010, 11:41 I'm a small time developer whose skills at GUI IDE development is meagre at best.? While I didn't make any comments during the time of the thread that saw Graeme depart, please forward on my apologies and thanks for the efforts, comments and work that he's done over time. It's indeed a shame to lose someone and particularly to lose someone over hard feelings and the perception of irresolvable differences in direction. Teamwork and partnerships toward a common goal need to maintain respect.? Can the rift be repaired?? I, for one, hope so. Lazarus development isn't a democracy nor is the goal defined by any one person.? The goal is elusive and being future can't be seen clearly.? I will miss Graeme, can't the rift be repaired, please? Stu Cox

I'm sorry, from what was shown in public I didn't see anything so grave that would force him to react the way he did. I believe that nobody asked him to leave.

I guess he probably had a bad day and was not in condition to back one step and count to ten. I also cannot understand, at one point he said and I quote "I regard this message thread as a success. A problem, no stable updated Lazarus, is now fixed." then at the next point he left the list.

That can happen when you take things too personally or when you ask for something in the wrong tone or somebody talk to you in the wrong tone and you don't react appropriately.

Personally, I would wished that this hadn't happened but now that it has happened I'm glad that Paul had taken the initiative so nobody can claim the team didn't do anything.

So to all that write here and ask Graeme to return, I would say that probably here is not the right place, please concentrate your efforts and contact Graeme directly and convince him to return. Here he is welcome to come and go as he likes as is any other developer around the world.

That is because it starts to look more and more as if Lazarus team is the bad guy, a thing that I believe is wrong.

Jesus Reyes A.

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Vincent Snijders
to Michael Van Canneyt: It is not 'imperialism'. If Graeme wanted to do it, he could perfectly do it. But Graeme…
Michael Van Canneyt wrote 6 lines
But Graeme himself no longer wants to do it, so Vincent needs someone else to do it if the Lazarus team wants to offer a git mirror. Also, Graeme is no longer subscribed to the list, and has missed the apologies by Paul Ishenin. I have notified him that they have been offered.

Well, is still subscribed, so one Graeme
G. still receives these mails, whether he reads them is a different thing.

After some heated discussion, or if I get depressed by the raise of open issues (it happens now and then), the best remedy is just to close your mailbox for a day or so.

Vincent

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Silvio Clecio
to Jesus Reyes: --- El mar 9-mar-10, Cox, Stuart TRAN:EX escribi?: I'm sorry, from what was shown in…
Jesus Reyes wrote 13 lines
I'm sorry, from what was shown in public I didn't see anything so grave that would force him to react the way he did. I believe that nobody asked him to leave. I guess he probably had a bad day and was not in condition to back one step and count to ten. I also cannot understand, at one point he said and I quote "I regard this message thread as a success. A problem, no stable updated Lazarus, is now fixed." then at the next point he left the list. That can happen when you take things too personally or when you ask for something in the wrong tone or somebody talk to you in the wrong tone and you don't react appropriately. Personally, I would wished that this hadn't happened but now that it has happened I'm glad that Paul had taken the initiative so nobody can claim the team didn't do anything. So to all that write here and ask Graeme to return, I would say that probably here is not the right place, please concentrate your efforts and contact Graeme directly and convince him to return. Here he is welcome to come and go as he likes as is any other developer around the world. That is because it starts to look more and more as if Lazarus team is the bad guy, a thing that I believe is wrong. Jesus Reyes A.

I'm talking to him in PVT and begging for him to return.

Thanks Jesus :)

[]'s Silvio Cl?cio -- programmer ObjectPascal - Blog: http://blog.silvioprog.com.br programmer ObjectPascal - Site: http://www.silvioprog.com.br programmer ObjectPascal - Twitter: http://twitter.com/silvioprog -- grupo Lazarus-BR no Google - http://groups.google.com/group/lazarus-br/ -- Mensagem assinada com PGP Public Key, Ver.: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)

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