Hello,

I added a new Mac OS X Scheme. I thinked a lot about how to name it, and I decided to rename the existing Mac OS X Scheme to: Mac OS X (Apple style)

And the new one is: Mac OS X (Lazarus style)

The names may change if other developers have a better name.

The idea is to be confortable for people using Lazarus in several operating systems. Particularly I was going crazy because home/end goes to end of line in Windows and Linux but end of file in Mac, which makes me loose where I was before.

In the moment this is the only difference with the standard Mac OS X style. This is documented here:

http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Lazarus_IDE_Shortcuts

Not everything should be the same as on Windows, like using Command+C instead of Ctrl+C should be kept, so one needs to exercise good sense when choosing what should go into this new scheme and what not. One guideline might be OpenOffice. It uses some Apple keys but not all. I beliave they were also trying to improve the experience of users comming from other operating systems.

I commited in rev 16514

thanks,

I agree, home and end drives me mad.
We also need better shortcuts for toggle form/unit, debugging step over and step into, optimally one key. Looking into XCode I noticed some four key shortcuts, that is horrible.

Yes, it should be Command+C, because this is used in edit controls in IDE.

Tom Gregorovic

Tom Gregorovic wrote

I agree, home and end drives me mad. We also need better shortcuts for toggle form/unit, debugging step over and step into, optimally one key. Looking into XCode I noticed some four key shortcuts, that is horrible.

Indeed, but I think there are no one key shortcuts available. Any suggestions to what kind of shortcuts could be used for those?

Maybe Ctrl+F to view the forms. Ctrl+U is already for unident, so we need something else to view the units.

I just started OpenOffice and got some ideas! We cannot use the F keys, but we can use Cmd+F1..12!

Maybe this could be a good solution? Substitute each F key usage in other platforms with Cmd+F1..12. It's very easy to memorize, and 2 keys aren't that bad.

For forms we can either use Ctrl+F or Cmd+Shift+F12

What do you think?

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Mattias G?rtner wrote

Not on all Macs. For example the Mac book with american keyboard maps Cmd+F keys to F keys. Probably this can be turned off somehow.

All to exotic combo's might also unnecessarily confuse KVMs. Like the one attached to my Mini :_)

Marco van de Voort wrote

All to exotic combo's might also unnecessarily confuse KVMs. Like the one attached to my Mini :_)

What are KVMs?

Not on all Macs. For example the Mac book with american keyboard maps Cmd+F keys to F keys. Probably this can be turned off somehow.

This is bad news. Do you have such a MacBook?

And are you sure about this? I just changed my keyboard layout and using Command+F key did not change the brightness, etc.

I think the Apple scheme must not use F keys.

Of couse I am only talking about the Mac OS X Lazarus scheme

The os-x-lazarus scheme could use them if we provide some hints how to configure keyboards to not eat all F key combos.

You can tell it to give all F keys to user programs in the Preferences. Then you use Fn+F key to access the special Apple functions. But I don't like this solution, it's too intrusive.

Keyboard-Video-Mouse switches. One kbd+mouse+screen for several computers.

But in general it goes for all devices that are "different", like keyboards that are connected through converters etc, they sometimes don't recognize complex and/or non standard combo's.

But that is a matter of testing. If you have an app (src, since PPC) to test with, I'll be happy too.

Another problem is the key combo Shift+Home/End. It selects to the start/end of the file, instead of to the end of the line like I have set it:

  ecSelLineStart: SetResult(VK_HOME, [ssShift],VK_LEFT,[ssMeta,ssShift]);
  ecSelLineEnd: SetResult(VK_END, [ssShift],VK_RIGHT,[ssMeta,ssShift]);
  ecSelEditorTop: SetResult(VK_HOME, [ssShift,ssCtrl],VK_UNKNOWN,[]);
  ecSelEditorBottom: SetResult(VK_END, [ssShift,ssCtrl],VK_UNKNOWN,[]);

Does anyone know why it is ignoring the requisite for Ctrl and selecting to the end of the file?

Yes.

And are you sure about this? I just changed my keyboard layout and using Command+F key did not change the brightness, etc.

Yes, I'm sure. Any F combination without the fn modifier is eaten by OS X (except F5+F6). Pressing the fn key gives all F combinations to lazarus.

Yes, this preference switches the behavior. Now fn+F keys are eaten by OS X and F keys are given to lazarus. I could live with that.

Mattias

Mattias Gaertner wrote

Yes, this preference switches the behavior. Now fn+F keys are eaten by OS X and F keys are given to lazarus. I could live with that.

Indeed, if Cmd+F keys don't work this is our best shot. I didn't know that Fn makes the F keys work, so we don't even need necessarely to activate the switch in Preferences.

In my MacBook the keys from F8 to F12 are never sent to applications, even clicking in the button to inverse the Fn+Fkeys policy =(

It seams that Fkeys are simply problematic to use in Mac.

Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote

In my MacBook the keys from F8 to F12 are never sent to applications, even clicking in the button to inverse the Fn+Fkeys policy =(

Any suggestions to work around this? The most important shortcuts from Lazarus are in the F8-F12 area, like run F9, show units F12, etc =/ I could simply shift them to F2-F6. I think there aren't many shortcuts there. And a simple scheme is important to keep things easy to memorize.

Forget the F keys:
Recent Macbook with american keyboard: only F5 and F6 are free Older Macbook with german keyboard: F8-F12 are free.

Mattias

Mattias Gaertner wrote

Forget the F keys: Recent Macbook with american keyboard: only F5 and F6 are free Older Macbook with german keyboard: F8-F12 are free.

Well, Apple doesn't make it any easier for us, does it?