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Is this a new microsoft approach?

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Arí Ricardo Ody

I'm having troubles to install Lazarus under windows vista. Lazarus isn't writing its configuration files. I discovered that even with de ADM user I can't open the folder "documents and settings".

If I'm not wrong Lazarus writes these files in the path "c:\documents and settings\<user>\local settings\application data" (or something like this).

I discovered late that there is a new concept(at least for me) for local files: The ownership. Then even with the ADM user with administrator rights and the user account control disabled I can't gain access to the files. I need to alter this ownership. I can't install Lazarus 'till now, but, at least, I can open "documents and settings".

Did someone have troubles with this stuff and solve them?

Another question: Hw can I tell to Lazarus write this configuration files in a path choiced for me?

Regards

Ricardo

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Gustavo Enrique Jimenez
to Arí Ricardo Ody

I'm using Lazarus 0.9.24 on Vista 32 without problems. Admin user.

Gustavo

2008/8/14 Ar? Ricardo Ody :

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I'm having troubles to install Lazarus under windows vista. Lazarus isn't writing its configuration files. I discovered that even with de ADM user I can't open the folder "documents and settings". If I'm not wrong Lazarus writes these files in the path "c:\documents and settings\<user>\local settings\application data" (or something like this). I discovered late that there is a new concept(at least for me) for local files: The ownership. Then even with the ADM user with administrator rights and the user account control disabled I can't gain access to the files. I need to alter this ownership. I can't install Lazarus 'till now, but, at least, I can open "documents and settings". Did someone have troubles with this stuff and solve them? Another question: Hw can I tell to Lazarus write this configuration files in a path choiced for me? Regards Ricardo _______________________________________________ Lazarus mailing list http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus

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Arí Ricardo Ody

It's useful take some care. Here in my work there
are people using vista that came with no files
locked and other people using vista that came
with locked files. I still can't understand the
criterion used by the Redmont guys...

In anyway if someone here had to unlock some
files in vista I ask to inform, please, how was
the procedure adopted. I can't release the files
in a way that Lazarus can write its configuration files.

Is there a way to redirect the Lazarus configuration files to a new directory?

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Ricardo

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I'm using Lazarus 0.9.24 on Vista 32 without problems. Admin user. Gustavo 2008/8/14 Ar? Ricardo Ody : > I'm having troubles to install Lazarus under windows vista. Lazarus > isn't writing its configuration files. I discovered that even with de > ADM user I can't open the folder "documents and settings". > > If I'm not wrong Lazarus writes these files in the path "c:\documents > and settings\<user>\local settings\application data" (or something like this). > > I discovered late that there is a new concept(at least for me) for > local files: The ownership. Then even with the ADM user with > administrator rights and the user account control disabled I can't > gain access to the files. I need to alter this ownership. I can't > install Lazarus 'till now, but, at least, I can open "documents and settings". > > Did someone have troubles with this stuff and solve them? > > Another question: Hw can I tell to Lazarus write this configuration > files in a path choiced for me? > > Regards > > Ricardo > > _______________________________________________ > Lazarus mailing list > > http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus > _______________________________________________ Lazarus mailing list http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus

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Jon Bertrand

I'm being told by our install team that on Vista "Documents and Settings" is "problematic".

They are telling me all users\shared documents works more reliably.

It sounds like the first user to write to documents and settings becomes the only user that can write to it (or something like that).

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-----Original Message----- From: [mailto:]On Behalf Of Ar? Ricardo Ody Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:37 AM To: General mailing list Subject: Re: [Lazarus] Is this a new microsoft approach? It's useful take some care. Here in my work there are people using vista that came with no files locked and other people using vista that came with locked files. I still can't understand the criterion used by the Redmont guys... In anyway if someone here had to unlock some files in vista I ask to inform, please, how was the procedure adopted. I can't release the files in a way that Lazarus can write its configuration files. Is there a way to redirect the Lazarus configuration files to a new directory? [ ] Ricardo At 11:11 14/8/2008, you wrote: >I'm using Lazarus 0.9.24 on Vista 32 without problems. Admin user. > >Gustavo > >2008/8/14 Ar? Ricardo Ody : > > I'm having troubles to install Lazarus under windows vista. Lazarus > > isn't writing its configuration files. I discovered that even with de > > ADM user I can't open the folder "documents and settings". > > > > If I'm not wrong Lazarus writes these files in the path "c:\documents > > and settings\<user>\local > settings\application data" (or something like this). > > > > I discovered late that there is a new concept(at least for me) for > > local files: The ownership. Then even with the ADM user with > > administrator rights and the user account control disabled I can't > > gain access to the files. I need to alter this ownership. I can't > > install Lazarus 'till now, but, at least, I > can open "documents and settings". > > > > Did someone have troubles with this stuff and solve them? > > > > Another question: Hw can I tell to Lazarus write this configuration > > files in a path choiced for me? > > > > Regards > > > > Ricardo > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Lazarus mailing list > > > > http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus > > > >_______________________________________________ >Lazarus mailing list > >http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus

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Arí Ricardo Ody
to Jon Bertrand
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I'm being told by our install team that on Vista "Documents and Settings" is "problematic". They are telling me all users\shared documents works more reliably. It sounds like the first user to write to documents and settings becomes the only user that can write to it (or something like that).

I thing that it's worst. There are notebooks here
that have only the original ADM user and can't
write in the "documents and settings". There are
no 1st user. If you know what I mean...

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Ricardo

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-----Original Message----- From: [mailto:]On Behalf Of Ar? Ricardo Ody Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:37 AM To: General mailing list Subject: Re: [Lazarus] Is this a new microsoft approach? It's useful take some care. Here in my work there are people using vista that came with no files locked and other people using vista that came with locked files. I still can't understand the criterion used by the Redmont guys... In anyway if someone here had to unlock some files in vista I ask to inform, please, how was the procedure adopted. I can't release the files in a way that Lazarus can write its configuration files. Is there a way to redirect the Lazarus configuration files to a new directory? [ ] Ricardo At 11:11 14/8/2008, you wrote: >I'm using Lazarus 0.9.24 on Vista 32 without problems. Admin user. > >Gustavo > >2008/8/14 Ar? Ricardo Ody : > > I'm having troubles to install Lazarus under windows vista. Lazarus > > isn't writing its configuration files. I discovered that even with de > > ADM user I can't open the folder "documents and settings". > > > > If I'm not wrong Lazarus writes these files in the path "c:\documents > > and settings\<user>\local > settings\application data" (or something like this). > > > > I discovered late that there is a new concept(at least for me) for > > local files: The ownership. Then even with the ADM user with > > administrator rights and the user account control disabled I can't > > gain access to the files. I need to alter this ownership. I can't > > install Lazarus 'till now, but, at least, I > can open "documents and settings". > > > > Did someone have troubles with this stuff and solve them? > > > > Another question: Hw can I tell to Lazarus write this configuration > > files in a path choiced for me? > > > > Regards > > > > Ricardo > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Lazarus mailing list > > > > http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus > > > >_______________________________________________ >Lazarus mailing list > >http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus _______________________________________________ Lazarus mailing list http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus _______________________________________________ Lazarus mailing list http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus

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John vd Waeter
to Jon Bertrand: I'm being told by our install team that on Vista "Documents and Settings" is…
Jon Bertrand wrote
I'm being told by our install team that on Vista "Documents and Settings" is "problematic".

AFAIK "documents and settings\all users\application data\..." is the XP-way.

The Vista-way is to use "/Programdata/Progname..."

well, afaik...

John

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They are telling me all users\shared documents works more reliably. It sounds like the first user to write to documents and settings becomes the only user that can write to it (or something like that). -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:]On Behalf Of Ar? Ricardo Ody Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:37 AM To: General mailing list Subject: Re: [Lazarus] Is this a new microsoft approach? It's useful take some care. Here in my work there are people using vista that came with no files locked and other people using vista that came with locked files. I still can't understand the criterion used by the Redmont guys... In anyway if someone here had to unlock some files in vista I ask to inform, please, how was the procedure adopted. I can't release the files in a way that Lazarus can write its configuration files. Is there a way to redirect the Lazarus configuration files to a new directory? [ ] Ricardo At 11:11 14/8/2008, you wrote: > I'm using Lazarus 0.9.24 on Vista 32 without problems. Admin user. > > Gustavo > > 2008/8/14 Ar? Ricardo Ody : >> I'm having troubles to install Lazarus under windows vista. Lazarus >> isn't writing its configuration files. I discovered that even with de >> ADM user I can't open the folder "documents and settings". >> >> If I'm not wrong Lazarus writes these files in the path "c:\documents >> and settings\<user>\local > settings\application data" (or something like this). >> I discovered late that there is a new concept(at least for me) for >> local files: The ownership. Then even with the ADM user with >> administrator rights and the user account control disabled I can't >> gain access to the files. I need to alter this ownership. I can't >> install Lazarus 'till now, but, at least, I > can open "documents and settings". >> Did someone have troubles with this stuff and solve them? >> >> Another question: Hw can I tell to Lazarus write this configuration >> files in a path choiced for me? >> >> Regards >> >> Ricardo >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Lazarus mailing list >> >> http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus >> > _______________________________________________ > Lazarus mailing list > > http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus _______________________________________________ Lazarus mailing list http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus _______________________________________________ Lazarus mailing list http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus

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Arí Ricardo Ody
to John vd Waeter

Is it?

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Ricardo

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Jon Bertrand wrote: > I'm being told by our install team that on Vista "Documents and Settings" is "problematic". AFAIK "documents and settings\all users\application data\..." is the XP-way. The Vista-way is to use "/Programdata/Progname..." well, afaik... John > > They are telling me all users\shared documents works more reliably. > > It sounds like the first user to write to documents and settings becomes the only user that can write to it (or something like that). > > -----Original Message----- > From: > [mailto:]On Behalf Of Ar? Ricardo > Ody > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:37 AM > To: General mailing list > Subject: Re: [Lazarus] Is this a new microsoft approach? > > > It's useful take some care. Here in my work there > are people using vista that came with no files > locked and other people using vista that came > with locked files. I still can't understand the > criterion used by the Redmont guys... > > In anyway if someone here had to unlock some > files in vista I ask to inform, please, how was > the procedure adopted. I can't release the files > in a way that Lazarus can write its configuration files. > > Is there a way to redirect the Lazarus configuration files to a new directory? > > [ ] > > Ricardo > > At 11:11 14/8/2008, you wrote: >> I'm using Lazarus 0.9.24 on Vista 32 without problems. Admin user. >> >> Gustavo >> >> 2008/8/14 Ar? Ricardo Ody : >>> I'm having troubles to install Lazarus under windows vista. Lazarus >>> isn't writing its configuration files. I discovered that even with de >>> ADM user I can't open the folder "documents and settings". >>> >>> If I'm not wrong Lazarus writes these files in the path "c:\documents >>> and settings\<user>\local >> settings\application data" (or something like this). >>> I discovered late that there is a new concept(at least for me) for >>> local files: The ownership. Then even with the ADM user with >>> administrator rights and the user account control disabled I can't >>> gain access to the files. I need to alter this ownership. I can't >>> install Lazarus 'till now, but, at least, I >> can open "documents and settings". >>> Did someone have troubles with this stuff and solve them? >>> >>> Another question: Hw can I tell to Lazarus write this configuration >>> files in a path choiced for me? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Ricardo >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Lazarus mailing list >>> >>> http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Lazarus mailing list >> >> http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus > > > > _______________________________________________ > Lazarus mailing list > > http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus > > _______________________________________________ > Lazarus mailing list > > http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus > > > _______________________________________________ Lazarus mailing list http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus

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Gustavo Enrique Jimenez
to Arí Ricardo Ody
Is it?

I can't tell. When I have installed Lazarus on Vista, I was asked for "Allow, reject" by the UAC.
My app writes some configuration files in the same directory (c:\program files....etc.). No permissions problems for my app, or for Lazarus. I have installed my app manually.

Perhaps my permission settings are wrong ;-) .

Gustavo

ps: excuse my english

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[ ] Ricardo At 12:19 14/8/2008, you wrote: >Jon Bertrand wrote: > > I'm being told by our install team that on > Vista "Documents and Settings" is "problematic". > >AFAIK "documents and settings\all users\application data\..." is the XP-way. > >The Vista-way is to use "/Programdata/Progname..." > >well, afaik... > >John > > > > > > > They are telling me all users\shared documents works more reliably. > > > > It sounds like the first user to write to > documents and settings becomes the only user > that can write to it (or something like that). > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > [mailto:]On Behalf Of Ar? Ricardo > > Ody > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:37 AM > > To: General mailing list > > Subject: Re: [Lazarus] Is this a new microsoft approach? > > > > > > It's useful take some care. Here in my work there > > are people using vista that came with no files > > locked and other people using vista that came > > with locked files. I still can't understand the > > criterion used by the Redmont guys... > > > > In anyway if someone here had to unlock some > > files in vista I ask to inform, please, how was > > the procedure adopted. I can't release the files > > in a way that Lazarus can write its configuration files. > > > > Is there a way to redirect the Lazarus > configuration files to a new directory? > > > > [ ] > > > > Ricardo > > > > At 11:11 14/8/2008, you wrote: > >> I'm using Lazarus 0.9.24 on Vista 32 without problems. Admin user. > >> > >> Gustavo > >> > >> 2008/8/14 Ar? Ricardo Ody : > >>> I'm having troubles to install Lazarus under windows vista. Lazarus > >>> isn't writing its configuration files. I discovered that even with de > >>> ADM user I can't open the folder "documents and settings". > >>> > >>> If I'm not wrong Lazarus writes these files in the path "c:\documents > >>> and settings\<user>\local > >> settings\application data" (or something like this). > >>> I discovered late that there is a new concept(at least for me) for > >>> local files: The ownership. Then even with the ADM user with > >>> administrator rights and the user account control disabled I can't > >>> gain access to the files. I need to alter this ownership. I can't > >>> install Lazarus 'till now, but, at least, I > >> can open "documents and settings". > >>> Did someone have troubles with this stuff and solve them? > >>> > >>> Another question: Hw can I tell to Lazarus write this configuration > >>> files in a path choiced for me? > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> > >>> Ricardo > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Lazarus mailing list > >>> > >>> http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Lazarus mailing list > >> > >> http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Lazarus mailing list > > > > http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Lazarus mailing list > > > > http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Lazarus mailing list > >http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus _______________________________________________ Lazarus mailing list http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus

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John vd Waeter
to Gustavo Enrique Jimenez
Gustavo Enrique Jimenez wrote 10 lines
> Is it? > I can't tell. When I have installed Lazarus on Vista, I was asked for "Allow, reject" by the UAC. My app writes some configuration files in the same directory (c:\program files....etc.). No permissions problems for my app, or for Lazarus. I have installed my app manually. Perhaps my permission settings are wrong ;-) .

No, not wrong... but the files are probably written in /users/name/appdata/Local/VirtualStore/Program Files/...

Vista shows these files *as if* they are written in c:\program files\... but they are not. Problem occurs when logged in as another user. You *think* you modified files in c:\program files\... but Vista saves your modified files somewhere in the virualStore. So if you log in as the first users, changes seems to be lost. Same thing happens if you log in via Terminal Server. It's some sort of compromis to keep legacy applications (that do not follow vista-rules) running...

Same thing when storing data in the Registry. It also has a virtual store where data is written that is (by Vista rules) not allowed to be written in some parts of the registry (like e.g. HKLM).

Single user says: No problem, all runs fine!

John

Gustavo ps: excuse my english

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Arí Ricardo Ody
to John vd Waeter

I found some very interesting notes about directory treatment in Windows Vista. I put them in ".odt" sun microsystem open office file. If someone of you wants a copy, please write me out of the list. But I don't even understand how to install Lazarus in Vista.

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Ricardo

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Gustavo Enrique Jimenez wrote: >> Is it? >> > > I can't tell. When I have installed Lazarus on Vista, I was asked for > "Allow, reject" by the UAC. > My app writes some configuration files in the same directory > (c:\program files....etc.). No permissions problems for my app, or for > Lazarus. I have installed my app manually. > > Perhaps my permission settings are wrong ;-) . No, not wrong... but the files are probably written in /users/name/appdata/Local/VirtualStore/Program Files/... Vista shows these files *as if* they are written in c:\program files\... but they are not. Problem occurs when logged in as another user. You *think* you modified files in c:\program files\... but Vista saves your modified files somewhere in the virualStore. So if you log in as the first users, changes seems to be lost. Same thing happens if you log in via Terminal Server. It's some sort of compromis to keep legacy applications (that do not follow vista-rules) running... Same thing when storing data in the Registry. It also has a virtual store where data is written that is (by Vista rules) not allowed to be written in some parts of the registry (like e.g. HKLM). Single user says: No problem, all runs fine! John > Gustavo > > ps: excuse my english > _______________________________________________ Lazarus mailing list http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus

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>> Is it? >> > > I can't tell. When I have installed Lazarus on Vista, I was asked for > "Allow, reject" by the UAC. > My app writes some configuration files in the same directory > (c:\program files....etc.). No permissions problems for my app, or for > Lazarus. I have installed my app manually. > > Perhaps my permission settings are wrong ;-) . No, not wrong... but the files are probably written in /users/name/appdata/Local/VirtualStore/Program Files/... Vista shows these files *as if* they are written in c:\program files\... but they are not. Problem occurs when logged in as another user. You *think* you modified files in c:\program files\... but Vista saves your modified files somewhere in the virualStore. So if you log in as the first users, changes seems to be lost. Same thing happens if you log in via Terminal Server. It's some sort of compromis to keep legacy applications (that do not follow vista-rules) running...

This is a nightmare ! I prefer the unix way, 50 years using /usr/bin, /home, /etc, etc.

OT: by the way, Lazarus is great, FreePascal is great. Congratulations to all of you, developers and contributors! Suddenly, I am a Unix/MAC/FreeBSD/Windows/hi-tech-shoe developer, just using ONE SINGLE compiler/RAD, developing console apps, desktop apps, web apps (ajax apps!), daemons, etc., etc., etc.... Thanks !!

Gustavo

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Same thing when storing data in the Registry. It also has a virtual store where data is written that is (by Vista rules) not allowed to be written in some parts of the registry (like e.g. HKLM). Single user says: No problem, all runs fine! John > Gustavo > > ps: excuse my english > _______________________________________________ Lazarus mailing list http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus

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On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 5:00 AM, Gustavo Enrique Jimenez <

wrote: This is a nightmare ! I prefer the unix way, 50 years using /usr/bin, /home, /etc, etc.

I cannot second this... 50 years of using cryptic names is now a legacy, but it's not a good one. I blogged about this exactly about 4 weeks ago ( http://reenenlaurie.blogspot.com/2008/08/what-linux-must-change.html) but, things are the way they are, and I guess it won't change.

OT: by the way, Lazarus is great, FreePascal is great. Congratulations

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to all of you, developers and contributors! Suddenly, I am a Unix/MAC/FreeBSD/Windows/hi-tech-shoe developer, just using ONE SINGLE compiler/RAD, developing console apps, desktop apps, web apps (ajax apps!), daemons, etc., etc., etc.... Thanks !!

I second this!!! :-) Although I am not much of a great developer for all of those things, but I can be. :-) I am very eagerly awaiting 0.9.26! -------------- next part --------------
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2008/8/15 Reenen Laurie :

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> > This is a nightmare ! I prefer the unix way, 50 years using /usr/bin, > /home, /etc, etc. I cannot second this... 50 years of using cryptic names is now a legacy, but it's not a good one. I blogged about this exactly about 4 weeks ago (http://reenenlaurie.blogspot.com/2008/08/what-linux-must-change.html) but, things are the way they are, and I guess it won't change.

Well the unix way sure as hell beats the Vista way! It's proven and it works! Vista on the other hand have VirtualStore directories, Virtual registry entries etc... All simply to try and fix applications that are "broken" because they did not adhere to security rules. I'm not a Microsoft fan, but they were right to hammer down on UAC (at long last), just a pity about this "virtual" sh*t. Simply allow configuration files to be written in the users HOME folder, nowhere else, unless you are Admin ? how difficult is that! You don't need this virtual crap.

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Graeme Geldenhuys
to Reenen Laurie: On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 5:00 AM, Gustavo Enrique Jimenez < I cannot second this... 50…

2008/8/15 Reenen Laurie :

I cannot second this... 50 years of using cryptic names is now a legacy, but it's not a good one. I blogged about this exactly about 4 weeks ago (http://reenenlaurie.blogspot.com/2008/08/what-linux-must-change.html) but, things are the way they are, and I guess it won't change.

I replied before reading you blog. :-( Clearly you have a limited understanding of unix type OS's. [not meant in a rude way]

As Marco point out. From a command line window, please type: man hier

This will explain in part, the file system hierarchy. Also remember that unix type OS's are designed from the ground up to be multi-user systems. Remotely connect to it, or remotely use parts of it. So certain file system parts (directories) of a company's Unix Box (server) could be shared amongst it's employees workstations (as if it's part of there local hard drives).

Anyway, there are many other really cool stuff the unix type OS's can do, which might confuse a newbie, but this is where the 50+ years of unix evolution comes to play. It's quite fascinating to research. If you have the time, please do so?it's an eye opener. You will appreciate the power of unix so much more!

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Reenen Laurie
to Graeme Geldenhuys
I replied before reading you blog. :-( Clearly you have a limited understanding of unix type OS's. [not meant in a rude way]

No offense taken. Might even add a "very" before the limited. :-)

Well the unix way sure as hell beats the Vista way!

Vista... it's really, really, really, bad... I don't want to get started...

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wrote: 2008/8/15 Reenen Laurie : > I cannot second this... 50 years of using cryptic names is now a legacy, but > it's not a good one. I blogged about this exactly about 4 weeks ago > (http://reenenlaurie.blogspot.com/2008/08/what-linux-must-change.html) but, > things are the way they are, and I guess it won't change. I replied before reading you blog. :-( Clearly you have a limited understanding of unix type OS's. [not meant in a rude way] As Marco point out. From a command line window, please type: man hier This will explain in part, the file system hierarchy. Also remember that unix type OS's are designed from the ground up to be multi-user systems. Remotely connect to it, or remotely use parts of it. So certain file system parts (directories) of a company's Unix Box (server) could be shared amongst it's employees workstations (as if it's part of there local hard drives). Anyway, there are many other really cool stuff the unix type OS's can do, which might confuse a newbie, but this is where the 50+ years of unix evolution comes to play. It's quite fascinating to research. If you have the time, please do so?it's an eye opener. You will appreciate the power of unix so much more! Regards, - Graeme - _______________________________________________ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://opensoft.homeip.net/fpgui/ _______________________________________________ Lazarus mailing list http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
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to Graeme Geldenhuys: 2008/8/15 Reenen Laurie : Well the unix way sure as hell beats the Vista way! It's proven…
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote
Simply allow configuration files to be written in the users HOME folder, nowhere else, unless you are Admin ? how difficult is that! You don't need this virtual crap.

I think the "virtual" business was probably inherited from MS IIS which had virtual directories (e.g. some location in the filesystem corresponding to http://localhost/).

I don't like configuration or state files that are written without warning, what I do if I want to save (for example) a list of recently-opened document names is use a file named like ~/.myapp.ini (for unix, or a hidden file in the user's profile directory for Windows) but only if it already exists and is accessible.

However the real problem is where programs have been written assuming files in hardwired default locations which in retrospect were inappropriate despite being compliant with MS's recommendations.

Mark Morgan Lloyd markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk [Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues]

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