Hi,

I've started using KDE since yesterday to try it out. I haven't used KDE for years. My first gripe was that Ctrl+F9 in Lazarus doesn't work. F9 does however. I then concluded that KDE must be grabing the keyboard shortcut before Lazarus can get hold of it. I found the problem!

Ctrl+F9 in KDE, switches to Desktop 9. In KDE's Control Panel -> Keyboard Shortcuts, I removed all 'switch to Desktop xx' shortcuts. Now Lazarus works as expected under KDE.

I just thought I would share this little tip with others...

Regards,
- Graeme -

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Probably we need different different default keys for every widgetset eventually.

Mattias

Le Jun 6, 2008 ? 2:53 PM, Mattias Gaertner a ?crit :

Yes I think. For example F9 by default under OS X is not really a good choice :) (-> Expose)

2008/6/6 Mattias Gaertner :

Probably we need different different default keys for every widgetset eventually.

In really for every widgetset, but rather every desktop environment. I'm running Lazarus+GTK1 under KDE now.

We could do like KDE does in the first time setup wizard. It asks what keyboard shortcut theme you would like to use:
eg KDE 3, KDE 4, Windows, Mac, UNIX, WindowMaker 3, Custom etc...

Setting up keyboard shortcuts inside the ide code is already a huge task, so I have no idea where to even start with something like Shortcut Themes!

Regards,
- Graeme -

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They are configurable, and I disabled all those keys under OS X. So one needs at least two profiles:

- one as compatible as possible (which might require config changes), for an uniform feel.
- one compatible with the default OS layout.

It is btw, not just Lazarus that suffers from this, the textmode ide does too.

Mattias Gaertner wrote

Probably we need different different default keys for every widgetset eventually.

I think it would be better if LCL would automatically do some kind of predictable transformation into impossible to use Shortcut sequences.

Another problem is that Shift+F12 is a impossible key sequence under Mac OS X, because it brings the Dashboard.

I tryed to search to see how Qt deals with this, but I see nothing in their documentation.

I started a table with problematic shortcut keys here:

http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/The_LCL_in_various_platforms#Shortcut_Keys

thanks,

Don't confuse IDE shortcuts and IDE commands, menu items, etc. An IDE shortcut is setup with

  ecBuild: SetResult(VK_F9,[ssCtrl],VK_UNKNOWN,[]);

And there are already 3 shortcut themes (default, classic, macosx).

Mattias

2008/6/6 Mattias Gaertner :

Don't confuse IDE shortcuts and IDE commands, menu items, etc. An IDE shortcut is setup with ecBuild: SetResult(VK_F9,[ssCtrl],VK_UNKNOWN,[]);

OK, I'll try for next time... :-)

And there are already 3 shortcut themes (default, classic, macosx).

Wow, again something Lazarus has I never even knew about! :-) You guys are good!

I had to search for it, but found it in the "key mappings" tab. Now if I may give a little advice with UI designing. *Never* make a button as wide as a Form! When you do that, it doesn't look like a button anymore. To me (using GTK1 with Bluecurve theme) it looks exactly like a Panel with a caption. This is not the only screen this is done in, I observed it before.

I created 4 mockup screens with suggestions on improving the "Key Mappings" tab. My preference is between 1 & 4, but if I have to choose, it would be 4. I attached 2 images to this email, and 2 images in the next email.

Regards,
- Graeme -

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2008/6/6 Graeme Geldenhuys :

I created 4 mockup screens with suggestions on improving the "Key Mappings" tab. My preference is between 1 & 4, but if I have to choose, it would be 4. I attached 2 images to this email, and 2 images in the next email.

The next two...

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- Graeme -

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Panels with these texts don't make much sense to me.

I created 4 mockup screens with suggestions on improving the "Key Mappings" tab. My preference is between 1 & 4, but if I have to choose, it would be 4. I attached 2 images to this email, and 2 images in the next email.

I improved it a little bit.

Mattias