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Error rebuilding Lazarus IDE

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Horacio Jamilis

Hi,

I am trying to recompile the Lazarus IDE from inside lazarus, and the build fails.

I am using lazarus under WinXP SP2 Spanish, FPC 2.2.1 SVN today and LAZ SVN today (updated 2 minutes ago)

I then exported all the messages to a file and the last lines are:

make.exe[1]: Leaving directory `E:/lazarus/laz_svn/ide' E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/make.exe -C ide ide
make.exe[1]: Entering directory `E:/lazarus/laz_svn/ide' ../tools/svn2revisioninc.exe .. revision.inc
Created E:\lazarus\laz_svn\ide\revision.inc for revision: 15036 E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/make.exe --assume-new=lazarus.pp lazarus.exe OPT=' -WG @"C:\Documents and Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n local\Datos de programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg"'
make.exe[2]: Entering directory `E:/lazarus/laz_svn/ide' E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/ppc386.exe -gl -Fu../lcl/units/i386-win32 -Fu../lcl/units/i386-win32/win32
-Fu../components/codetools/units/i386-win32
-Fu../components/synedit/units/i386-win32 -Fu../components/custom -Fu../components/mpaslex -Fu../ideintf/units/i386-win32 -Fu../designer -Fu../designer/jitform/units/i386-win32 -Fu../debugger -Fu../converter -Fu../packager -Fu../packager/units/i386-win32 -Fu../units/i386-win32 -Fu. -Fiinclude -Fiinclude/win32 -Fi../images -FE.. -FU../units/i386-win32 -WG @"C:\Documents and
Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n local\Datos de
programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg" -di386 lazarus.pp
Fatal: Unable to open file C:\Documents and
Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n local\Datos de programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg

What I can see is that one character is changed in the path: the right word (in the spanish windows file system) is "Configuraci?n", and in the error line it appears as "Configuraci?n"... so the character seems affected and that is why the file is not found.

After this I executed the command from the cmd.exe prompt and everything is build correctly.

I hope this is enougth for you to fix it.

Thanks

Horacio

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Vincent Snijders
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Horacio Jamilis wrote 43 lines
Hi, I am trying to recompile the Lazarus IDE from inside lazarus, and the build fails. I am using lazarus under WinXP SP2 Spanish, FPC 2.2.1 SVN today and LAZ SVN today (updated 2 minutes ago) I then exported all the messages to a file and the last lines are: make.exe[1]: Leaving directory `E:/lazarus/laz_svn/ide' E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/make.exe -C ide ide make.exe[1]: Entering directory `E:/lazarus/laz_svn/ide' ../tools/svn2revisioninc.exe .. revision.inc Created E:\lazarus\laz_svn\ide\revision.inc for revision: 15036 E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/make.exe --assume-new=lazarus.pp lazarus.exe OPT=' -WG @"C:\Documents and Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n local\Datos de programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg"' make.exe[2]: Entering directory `E:/lazarus/laz_svn/ide' E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/ppc386.exe -gl -Fu../lcl/units/i386-win32 -Fu../lcl/units/i386-win32/win32 -Fu../components/codetools/units/i386-win32 -Fu../components/synedit/units/i386-win32 -Fu../components/custom -Fu../components/mpaslex -Fu../ideintf/units/i386-win32 -Fu../designer -Fu../designer/jitform/units/i386-win32 -Fu../debugger -Fu../converter -Fu../packager -Fu../packager/units/i386-win32 -Fu../units/i386-win32 -Fu. -Fiinclude -Fiinclude/win32 -Fi../images -FE.. -FU../units/i386-win32 -WG @"C:\Documents and Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n local\Datos de programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg" -di386 lazarus.pp Fatal: Unable to open file C:\Documents and Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n local\Datos de programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg What I can see is that one character is changed in the path: the right word (in the spanish windows file system) is "Configuraci?n", and in the error line it appears as "Configuraci?n"... so the character seems affected and that is why the file is not found. After this I executed the command from the cmd.exe prompt and everything is build correctly. I hope this is enougth for you to fix it.

The description is clear, but I don't know yet how to fix it. Can you create a bug report? Maybe there is some incompatibility between RTL routine to get the configuration directory and the way the compiler tries to open files.

Vincent

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Yury Sidorov
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From: "Vincent Snijders"

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Horacio Jamilis schreef: > Hi, > > I am trying to recompile the Lazarus IDE from inside lazarus, and > the > build fails. > > I am using lazarus under WinXP SP2 Spanish, FPC 2.2.1 SVN today > and LAZ > SVN today (updated 2 minutes ago) > > I then exported all the messages to a file and the last lines are: > > make.exe[1]: Leaving directory `E:/lazarus/laz_svn/ide' > E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/make.exe -C ide ide > make.exe[1]: Entering directory `E:/lazarus/laz_svn/ide' > ../tools/svn2revisioninc.exe .. revision.inc > Created E:\lazarus\laz_svn\ide\revision.inc for revision: 15036 > E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/make.exe --assume-new=lazarus.pp > lazarus.exe OPT=' -WG @"C:\Documents and > Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n > local\Datos de programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg"' > make.exe[2]: Entering directory `E:/lazarus/laz_svn/ide' > E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/ppc386.exe -gl -Fu../lcl/units/i386-win32 > -Fu../lcl/units/i386-win32/win32 > -Fu../components/codetools/units/i386-win32 > -Fu../components/synedit/units/i386-win32 -Fu../components/custom > -Fu../components/mpaslex -Fu../ideintf/units/i386-win32 -Fu../designer > -Fu../designer/jitform/units/i386-win32 -Fu../debugger -Fu../converter > -Fu../packager -Fu../packager/units/i386-win32 -Fu../units/i386-win32 > -Fu. -Fiinclude -Fiinclude/win32 -Fi../images -FE.. > -FU../units/i386-win32 -WG @"C:\Documents and > Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n local\Datos de > programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg" -di386 lazarus.pp > Fatal: Unable to open file C:\Documents and > Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n local\Datos de > programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg > > What I can see is that one character is changed in the path: > the right word (in the spanish windows file system) is > "Configuraci?n", > and in the error line it appears as "Configuraci?n"... so the > character > seems affected and that is why the file is not found. > > After this I executed the command from the cmd.exe prompt and > everything > is build correctly. > > I hope this is enougth for you to fix it. > The description is clear, but I don't know yet how to fix it. Can you create a bug report? Maybe there is some incompatibility between RTL routine to get the configuration directory and the way the compiler tries to open files.

It is caused by make.exe. If a command contains quote " make.exe creates .bat file with that command and executes this .bat file via cmd.exe, which performs OEM->ANSI conversion for .bat file text...

To fix this problem use ' instead of " as quotation and make.exe will not create .bat file and all will work (also on Win9x).

Yury.

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Yury Sidorov wrote 15 lines
From: "Vincent Snijders" > Horacio Jamilis schreef: > The description is clear, but I don't know yet how to fix it. Can > you > create a bug report? Maybe there is some incompatibility between RTL > routine to get the configuration directory and the way the compiler > tries to open files. It is caused by make.exe. If a command contains quote " make.exe creates .bat file with that command and executes this .bat file via cmd.exe, which performs OEM->ANSI conversion for .bat file text... To fix this problem use ' instead of " as quotation and make.exe will not create .bat file and all will work (also on Win9x).

Thanks. I will try to fix it like you proposed.

Vincent

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to Horacio Jamilis: I am trying to recompile the Lazarus IDE from inside lazarus, and the build fails. I am…
Horacio Jamilis wrote 13 lines
Hi, I am trying to recompile the Lazarus IDE from inside lazarus, and the build fails. I am using lazarus under WinXP SP2 Spanish, FPC 2.2.1 SVN today and LAZ SVN today (updated 2 minutes ago) After this I executed the command from the cmd.exe prompt and everything is build correctly. I hope this is enougth for you to fix it.

I committed a fix in r15045. Can you test?

Vincent

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Horacio Jamilis
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It does not work :-(

The last lines now are:

Created E:\lazarus\laz_svn\ide\revision.inc for revision: 15045 E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/make.exe --assume-new=lazarus.pp lazarus.exe OPT=" -WG @"C:\Documents and Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n local\Datos de programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg""
make.exe[2]: Entering directory `E:/lazarus/laz_svn/ide' E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/ppc386.exe -gl -Fu../lcl/units/i386-win32 -Fu../lcl/units/i386-win32/win32
-Fu../components/codetools/units/i386-win32
-Fu../components/synedit/units/i386-win32 -Fu../components/custom -Fu../components/mpaslex -Fu../ideintf/units/i386-win32 -Fu../designer -Fu../designer/jitform/units/i386-win32 -Fu../debugger -Fu../converter -Fu../packager -Fu../packager/units/i386-win32 -Fu../units/i386-win32 -Fu. -Fiinclude -Fiinclude/win32 -Fi../images -FE.. -FU../units/i386-win32 -WG @C:\Documents -di386 lazarus.pp Fatal: Unable to open file C:\Documents

As you can see... the Fatal error stops on "C:\Documents"... where the first space character was found.

Thanks for the try.

Horacio

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Horacio Jamilis schreef: > Hi, > > I am trying to recompile the Lazarus IDE from inside lazarus, and the > build fails. > > I am using lazarus under WinXP SP2 Spanish, FPC 2.2.1 SVN today and LAZ > SVN today (updated 2 minutes ago) > > After this I executed the command from the cmd.exe prompt and everything > is build correctly. > > I hope this is enougth for you to fix it. > > I committed a fix in r15045. Can you test? Vincent _______________________________________________ Lazarus mailing list http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus __________ Informaci?n de NOD32, revisi?n 3072 (20080503) __________ Este mensaje ha sido analizado con NOD32 antivirus system http://www.nod32.com

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Horacio Jamilis wrote 23 lines
It does not work :-( The last lines now are: Created E:\lazarus\laz_svn\ide\revision.inc for revision: 15045 E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/make.exe --assume-new=lazarus.pp lazarus.exe OPT=" -WG @"C:\Documents and Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n local\Datos de programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg"" make.exe[2]: Entering directory `E:/lazarus/laz_svn/ide' E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/ppc386.exe -gl -Fu../lcl/units/i386-win32 -Fu../lcl/units/i386-win32/win32 -Fu../components/codetools/units/i386-win32 -Fu../components/synedit/units/i386-win32 -Fu../components/custom -Fu../components/mpaslex -Fu../ideintf/units/i386-win32 -Fu../designer -Fu../designer/jitform/units/i386-win32 -Fu../debugger -Fu../converter -Fu../packager -Fu../packager/units/i386-win32 -Fu../units/i386-win32 -Fu. -Fiinclude -Fiinclude/win32 -Fi../images -FE.. -FU../units/i386-win32 -WG @C:\Documents -di386 lazarus.pp Fatal: Unable to open file C:\Documents As you can see... the Fatal error stops on "C:\Documents"... where the first space character was found.

Did you first compile a new lazarus from the command line? The old lazarus from r15000 cannot build a new lazarus, due to your bug.

Vincent

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Horacio Jamilis
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I didn't... I don't have my computer right now, so I will test tomorrow.

Horacio

On Mon, 05 May 2008 03:03:07 +0200, Vincent Snijders wrote

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Did you first compile a new lazarus from the command line? The old lazarus from r15000 cannot build a new lazarus, due to your bug. Vincent

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Horacio Jamilis
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Now I builded lazarus from command line with success, and then tried to rebuild from inside Lazarus without success again

Created E:\lazarus\laz_svn\ide\revision.inc for revision: 15045 E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/make.exe --assume-new=lazarus.pp lazarus.exe OPT=" -WG @'C:\Documents and Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n local\Datos de programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg'"
make.exe[2]: Entering directory `E:/lazarus/laz_svn/ide' E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/ppc386.exe -gl -Fu../lcl/units/i386-win32 -Fu../lcl/units/i386-win32/win32
-Fu../components/codetools/units/i386-win32
-Fu../components/synedit/units/i386-win32 -Fu../components/custom -Fu../components/mpaslex -Fu../ideintf/units/i386-win32 -Fu../designer -Fu../designer/jitform/units/i386-win32 -Fu../debugger -Fu../converter -Fu../packager -Fu../packager/units/i386-win32 -Fu../units/i386-win32 -Fu. -Fiinclude -Fiinclude/win32 -Fi../images -FE.. -FU../units/i386-win32 -WG @'C:\Documents and
Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n local\Datos de
programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg' -di386 lazarus.pp
Fatal: Unable to open file C:\Documents and
Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n local\Datos de programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg

This time, the accented character is also modified in the command line ("Configuraci?n" should be "Configuraci?n")

Horacio

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I didn't... I don't have my computer right now, so I will test tomorrow. Horacio On Mon, 05 May 2008 03:03:07 +0200, Vincent Snijders wrote > Did you first compile a new lazarus from the command line? The old > lazarus from r15000 cannot build a new lazarus, due to your bug. > > Vincent > _______________________________________________ Lazarus mailing list http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus __________ Informaci?n de NOD32, revisi?n 3074 (20080505) __________ Este mensaje ha sido analizado con NOD32 antivirus system http://www.nod32.com

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Horacio Jamilis
to Vincent Snijders: Did you first compile a new lazarus from the command line? The old lazarus from r15000…

It still failing with today lazarus svn (r15073) and today fpc svn 2.2.1 on XP SP2 Spanish (just to make you remember)

E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/ppc386.exe -gl -Fu../lcl/units/i386-win32 -Fu../lcl/units/i386-win32/win32
-Fu../components/codetools/units/i386-win32
-Fu../components/synedit/units/i386-win32 -Fu../components/custom -Fu../components/mpaslex -Fu../ideintf/units/i386-win32 -Fu../designer -Fu../designer/jitform/units/i386-win32 -Fu../debugger -Fu../converter -Fu../packager -Fu../packager/units/i386-win32 -Fu../units/i386-win32 -Fu. -Fiinclude -Fiinclude/win32 -Fi../images -FE.. -FU../units/i386-win32 -WG @'C:\Documents and
Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n local\Datos de
programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg' -di386 lazarus.pp
Fatal: Unable to open file C:\Documents and
Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n local\Datos de programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg

When, at the cmd.exe propmt I runed:
E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/ppc386.exe -gl -Fu../lcl/units/i386-win32 -Fu../lcl/units/i386-win32/win32
-Fu../components/codetools/units/i386-win32
-Fu../components/synedit/units/i386-win32 -Fu../components/custom -Fu../components/mpaslex -Fu../ideintf/units/i386-win32 -Fu../designer -Fu../designer/jitform/units/i386-win32 -Fu../debugger -Fu../converter -Fu../packager -Fu../packager/units/i386-win32 -Fu../units/i386-win32 -Fu. -Fiinclude -Fiinclude/win32 -Fi../images -FE.. -FU../units/i386-win32 -WG @'C:\Documents and
Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n local\Datos de
programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg' -di386 lazarus.pp

where I only changed the ? character for the ? character, the command failed again.

I needed to change de ' character with " character to make it work properly.

I?d like to fix it my self but I don?t know where to took at... If you tell me I could try to find the way.

I always run a make clean all features except startlazarus and the demos.

Horacio

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Horacio Jamilis schreef: > It does not work :-( > > The last lines now are: > > Created E:\lazarus\laz_svn\ide\revision.inc for revision: 15045 > E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/make.exe --assume-new=lazarus.pp > lazarus.exe OPT=" -WG @"C:\Documents and Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n > local\Datos de programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg"" > make.exe[2]: Entering directory `E:/lazarus/laz_svn/ide' > E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/ppc386.exe -gl -Fu../lcl/units/i386-win32 > -Fu../lcl/units/i386-win32/win32 > -Fu../components/codetools/units/i386-win32 > -Fu../components/synedit/units/i386-win32 -Fu../components/custom > -Fu../components/mpaslex -Fu../ideintf/units/i386-win32 -Fu../designer > -Fu../designer/jitform/units/i386-win32 -Fu../debugger -Fu../converter > -Fu../packager -Fu../packager/units/i386-win32 -Fu../units/i386-win32 > -Fu. -Fiinclude -Fiinclude/win32 -Fi../images -FE.. > -FU../units/i386-win32 -WG @C:\Documents -di386 lazarus.pp > Fatal: Unable to open file C:\Documents > > As you can see... the Fatal error stops on "C:\Documents"... where the > first space character was found. > > Did you first compile a new lazarus from the command line? The old lazarus from r15000 cannot build a new lazarus, due to your bug. Vincent _______________________________________________ Lazarus mailing list http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus __________ Informaci?n de NOD32, revisi?n 3074 (20080505) __________ Este mensaje ha sido analizado con NOD32 antivirus system http://www.nod32.com

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Horacio Jamilis wrote
It still failing with today lazarus svn (r15073) and today fpc svn 2.2.1 on XP SP2 Spanish (just to make you remember)

I remember. Please, create a bug report.

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E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/ppc386.exe -gl -Fu../lcl/units/i386-win32 -Fu../lcl/units/i386-win32/win32 -Fu../components/codetools/units/i386-win32 -Fu../components/synedit/units/i386-win32 -Fu../components/custom -Fu../components/mpaslex -Fu../ideintf/units/i386-win32 -Fu../designer -Fu../designer/jitform/units/i386-win32 -Fu../debugger -Fu../converter -Fu../packager -Fu../packager/units/i386-win32 -Fu../units/i386-win32 -Fu. -Fiinclude -Fiinclude/win32 -Fi../images -FE.. -FU../units/i386-win32 -WG @'C:\Documents and Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n local\Datos de programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg' -di386 lazarus.pp Fatal: Unable to open file C:\Documents and Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n local\Datos de programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg When, at the cmd.exe propmt I runed: E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/ppc386.exe -gl -Fu../lcl/units/i386-win32 -Fu../lcl/units/i386-win32/win32 -Fu../components/codetools/units/i386-win32 -Fu../components/synedit/units/i386-win32 -Fu../components/custom -Fu../components/mpaslex -Fu../ideintf/units/i386-win32 -Fu../designer -Fu../designer/jitform/units/i386-win32 -Fu../debugger -Fu../converter -Fu../packager -Fu../packager/units/i386-win32 -Fu../units/i386-win32 -Fu. -Fiinclude -Fiinclude/win32 -Fi../images -FE.. -FU../units/i386-win32 -WG @'C:\Documents and Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n local\Datos de programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg' -di386 lazarus.pp where I only changed the ? character for the ? character, the command failed again. I needed to change de ' character with " character to make it work properly. I?d like to fix it my self but I don?t know where to took at... If you tell me I could try to find the way.

Look at the recent changes in the ide\Makefile and ide\Makefile.fpc and try if you can make it work.

Vincent

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to Yury Sidorov: From: "Vincent Snijders" It is caused by make.exe. If a command contains quote " make.exe…
Yury Sidorov wrote 26 lines
From: "Vincent Snijders" >> >> make.exe[1]: Leaving directory `E:/lazarus/laz_svn/ide' >> E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/make.exe -C ide ide >> make.exe[1]: Entering directory `E:/lazarus/laz_svn/ide' >> ../tools/svn2revisioninc.exe .. revision.inc >> Created E:\lazarus\laz_svn\ide\revision.inc for revision: 15036 >> E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/make.exe --assume-new=lazarus.pp >> lazarus.exe OPT=' -WG @"C:\Documents and >> Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n >> local\Datos de programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg"' >> make.exe[2]: Entering directory `E:/lazarus/laz_svn/ide' >> E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/ppc386.exe -gl -Fu../lcl/units/i386-win32 >> -Fu../lcl/units/i386-win32/win32 >> -Fu../components/codetools/units/i386-win32 >> -Fu../components/synedit/units/i386-win32 -Fu../components/custom >> -Fu../components/mpaslex -Fu../ideintf/units/i386-win32 -Fu../designer >> -Fu../designer/jitform/units/i386-win32 -Fu../debugger -Fu../converter >> -Fu../packager -Fu../packager/units/i386-win32 -Fu../units/i386-win32 >> -Fu. -Fiinclude -Fiinclude/win32 -Fi../images -FE.. >> -FU../units/i386-win32 -WG @"C:\Documents and >> Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n local\Datos de >> programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg" -di386 lazarus.pp >> Fatal: Unable to open file C:\Documents and >> Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n local\Datos de >> programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg

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It is caused by make.exe. If a command contains quote " make.exe creates .bat file with that command and executes this .bat file via cmd.exe, which performs OEM->ANSI conversion for .bat file text... To fix this problem use ' instead of " as quotation and make.exe will not create .bat file and all will work (also on Win9x).

Yury, can you help a bit more?

I need to sets of quotes, one to group the OPT parameter and one to keep the @ filename together.

E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/make.exe --assume-new=lazarus.pp lazarus.exe OPT=' -WG @C:\Documents and Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n local\Datos de programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg"'

Do you have idea how this can be accomplished?

Vincent

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I dont know when nor why but it?s fixed!

Thanks!

Horacio

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Yury Sidorov schreef: > It is caused by make.exe. If a command contains quote " make.exe > creates .bat file with that command and executes this .bat file via > cmd.exe, which performs OEM->ANSI conversion for .bat file text... > > To fix this problem use ' instead of " as quotation and make.exe will > not create .bat file and all will work (also on Win9x). > Yury, can you help a bit more? I need to sets of quotes, one to group the OPT parameter and one to keep the @ filename together. E:/lazarus/pp/bin/i386-win32/make.exe --assume-new=lazarus.pp lazarus.exe OPT=' -WG @C:\Documents and Settings\Horacio\Configuraci?n local\Datos de programa\lazarus\idemake.cfg"' Do you have idea how this can be accomplished? Vincent ______________________________________________

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