I can start a ToDo text. Any suggestions for the format?

Package or Task Summary line
status:
needed, wanted, thinking_about_doing, working_on,
working_on_need_help, coded_but_needs_testing,
completed_needs_documentation, completed_and_available... etc

We need more developers.

It might be easier to attract developers if there is a list of things that need developing. The old Lazarus site used to have a page of components and their status. This was good but was probably a lot of work to initially build and maintain.

The forum capabilities of the existing Lazarus site are excellent but don't appear to be used very much. For example the last posting in the Developer News section is dated September 08, 2002. Could this be an area to post ToDo items and make announcements about converted code? This way, the existing developer group wouldn't have to spend their time formatting and maintaining the list.

Did you really expect that everyone post their 'hooray' to the list?

Everyone? No, but even one response on or off list would have encouraged me to keep working on it. A hooray is good once in a while... but next time I will post a shorter announcement. Sorry if this was annoying.

-Tom

Please let us know when the TODO list, road map or whatever is available. I would also like to start on gtk2, I believe I need a general direction what needs to be done. I need this for my GTK+ 2 project using Frame buffer.

Yoyong

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From: Mattias Gaertner on 06/11/2003 06:18 PM GMT

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ok, I will start one.

Indeed.

Yes.

It was not annoying. I didn't wrote my hooray, because I had already flooded the list for the day. And if I would stop anything, just because I didn't get response, lazarus would not the lazarus you know it.

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Hi all, Do we have a road map for Lazarus, like the one's used in the Mozilla project? I'd love to see something like

I guess, any developer will tell you another 'roadmap'. Personally I would like to have some docs in 0.9.1.

What do you mean with this one?

Lazarus 0.9.3 --> I don't know.......

gtk2, docking, drag&drop, ...

The reason I ask this is that maybe we can focus on the items listed on each release cycles. Though, this should not stop others from creating some more interesting stuff.

Feel free to contribute whatever you like.

Mattias

I'd also like to do something to show appreciation and support for Lazarus... but it would be nice to have a little direction about what needs to be done. A "ToDo" list of tasks, components or libraries that need some work or require conversion might be helpful in this regard.

I started converting some of the TurboPower systools code with the hope that it would be useful but nobody responded to my posting about it. Should I continue? Is there any interest in this package?

-Tom

Good to see the gtk2 and gnome2 applets (give me some ideas for firebird hehe ..fbapplet? ) on the roadmap ... nice :)

I have discovered how to work with breakpoints in ddd (weeee), now lets catch the AV's and debug them.

The Fibquery (working with freeib) can be prepared and the plan is natural ("Plan Employee is Natural") only when ExecQuery seems to have problems ...

ps : one day gonna have firbird objects (fbo?) on the component pallete in lazarus :)

IMO there are too many todos to list them. OTOH it seems there is some interest in such a list. I can start a ToDo text. Any suggestions for the format?
About roadmap: A roadmap implies that we know, in which version a feature will be complete. But as Marc said: We have no idea in what version for example the gtk2 interface will be there. We need more developers.

I started converting some of the TurboPower systools code with the hope that it would be useful but nobody responded to my posting about it. Should I continue? Is there any interest in this package?

Of course. Did you really expect that everyone post their 'hooray' to the list?

Mattias

Please let us know when the TODO list, road map or whatever is available. I would also like to start on gtk2, I believe I need a general direction what needs to be done. I need this for my GTK+ 2 project using Frame buffer.

I started the TODO in docs/TODO.
It would be nice to have something like this on the website. But I guess, as a simle text file it will be easier to maintain and so it will be updated more regularly.

Mattias

Does this mean that wherever the wind blows will go that way? What I wish is that masters/guru of this group should create at least some simple outline what we expect in the future of Lazarus. I usually have around 1 to 2 hours free a day for playing around Lazarus but I sometimes fell like we don't have some directions.. "wherever the wind blows I go that way"........ I love to work where I know where we are heading.... Please don't take this message seriously, it is just my personal preference as participant of this list.

> Lazarus 0.9.2 --> Implement dynamically loading new control with > recompiling lazarus What do you mean with this one?

I mean without recompiling lazarus.

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Yoyong

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Hi all, Do we have a road map for Lazarus, like the one's used in the Mozilla project? I'd love to see something like

I guess, any developer will tell you another 'roadmap'. Personally I would like to have some docs in 0.9.1.

What do you mean with this one?

Lazarus 0.9.3 --> I don't know.......

gtk2, docking, drag&drop, ...

The reason I ask this is that maybe we can focus on the items listed on each release cycles. Though, this should not stop others from creating some more interesting stuff.

Feel free to contribute whatever you like.

Mattias

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That was fast.
I planned to add a todo item: 'Create a nicer todo'. Now this item is finished before even writing it.

Most of the IDE items need dependencies. For example:

- 'Find In Files' requires 'Search Result window'
- 'Code Explorer' requires 'Codetools Multipass parser'
- 'Object Treeview' requires 'TTreeView Multiselection' and 'TTreeView Drag&Drop'

So, a 'Depends On' field would be useful.

Maybe don't show all in one single page, but splitted up per Unit (Components, LCL, GTK, GTK2, GNOME, WIN32, IDE)

It seems to fit on a single page.

If I had known, that there is so much interest in such a list, ...

Mattias

Ahem. I thought I responded to that message. Either I was dreaming, or I have mis-sent the message.

I also started converting it. In general it is not too difficult, but the question is what the best way is to do this. The 1.1 compiler already has some of the needed units, while the 1.0 compiler does not have them. However, I would like to include them in the Packages distributed with the compiler.

One of the questions is also that we should try and get the changes merged back to the systools maintainers on Sourceforge.

Michael.

ok, I will start one.

Indeed.

Yes.

It was not annoying. I didn't wrote my hooray, because I had already flooded the list for the day. And if I would stop anything, just because I didn't get response, lazarus would not the lazarus you know it.

Mattias

The general rule is that if you don't get a response, it means everything is OK. If you get responses, it's usually to say that this or that doesn't work correctly.

So no news is good news :-)

Michael.

Hi all,

Do we have a road map for Lazarus, like the one's used in the Mozilla project? I'd love to see something like

Lazarus 0.9.1 --> Implement Database access (TDBText, TDBLabel, etc ... etc....)

Lazarus 0.9.2 --> Implement dynamically loading new control with recompiling lazarus

Lazarus 0.9.3 --> I don't know.......

The reason I ask this is that maybe we can focus on the items listed on each release cycles. Though, this should not stop others from creating some more interesting stuff.

Regards,

Yoyong

yes well. I am not sure what all needs to be done for gtk2 anymore. I had it compiling and almost working a month ago, along with all sorts of new improvements for graphics, but before I could commit to cvs I lost my home dir. :/

I am looking at gtk2 again today to see what I can do, but I am not sure how much time I will have to work on it, so while I will be submitting any fixes to cvs, I still do not know how long before it actually works. AKA, take a look at cvs and try and compile it yourself, and if you can figure out how to fix stuff go ahead and send some patches I won't mind the help. :)

Andrew

Mattias Gaertner wrote

I started the TODO in docs/TODO. It would be nice to have something like this on the website. But I guess, as a simle text file it will be easier to maintain and so it will be updated more regularly.

Ask and you shall receive. ............ Well sometimes. ;-)

I have put a Project Roadmap / ToDo List on the web site. I took the information that Mattias put in CVS as a starting point. The information is in a database. The reports lists the items by section/unit that the specific content is attached to. Then it sorts it by status.

If you click on any of the descriptions for the item it will open a popup window that contains more details. These are the only details that were available in the ToDo list in CVS. If you want additional specific details please let me know and those fields can be added and and the detail report modified.

At this point I only wrote the output of the data from the database. (Give me a break I only did this whole thing today) ;-)

As soon as the design and requirements are fleshed out some more I will then write the editing portion for this module. Until that time just give me the information that you want added or changed and I can do it.

I hope this is what some of you were looking for.

Happy coding.

Marc Weustink wrote

Maybe don't show all in one single page, but splitted up per Unit (Components, LCL, GTK, GTK2, GNOME, WIN32, IDE)

I added another selection box so you can see all items or just items for a given section/unit.

I'll just add another main unit called Debugger. Just give me the details for those items and I'll add them.

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AFAIK, this is a limitation of the 1.0 series of the compiler. It can not dynamic load libraries. The support for it is in the 1.1 version. So i guess it won't be part of the 0.9.2 version of Lazarus (if it will ever be on a 0.9.x version)

For what the roadmap concerns, I can only speak for my self. And that road leads to improving debugging in the pieces of time I have.

Steps are (in more or less chonologic order)

* Add a Exception/Signal handling config dialog
* Add a breakpoint properties dialog
* Improve Evaluations
* Add Expression evaluation dialog
* Enable watches
* Add dump data dialog
* ....

And no, I have no idea in what version it will be there.

Marc

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Wow !

Maybe don't show all in one single page, but splitted up per Unit (Components, LCL, GTK, GTK2, GNOME, WIN32, IDE)

Then you have a list of Items, where we might need also subitems.

I was thinking of (adding an imaginary debugger map):

IDE - Debugger - Breakpoints
IDE - Debugger - BreakpointsDialog
IDE - Debugger - BreakpointsProperties

etc.

I hope this is what some of you were looking for.

Something :)

Marc

Mattias Gaertner wrote

That was fast. I planned to add a todo item: 'Create a nicer todo'. Now this item is finished before even writing it.

Hee hee.

The concept caught me at a time when I happened to have a few hours to devote to the web site.

It has been added.

If I have some time today maybe just maybe I can get the input/editor screens added for developer administration.