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lazarus Russian localization updated

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Mattias Gaertner
to James Mills: What FPC Compiler is needed in order to use Lazarus ? Also, will this ever change so that…
Great work was done for common localization. And I have mostly translated all new to Russian. Patch on Sunday's cvs is located http://www.ussr.to/Russia/vvi/fpclcl/lazloc09_06_03.diff.gz

Strange, the first few lines are ok, but the rest only crap. Can you check the file?

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Besides, Sundays cvs had a bug, which made problems with FPC 1.1. The problem was in forms.pp (it can't be compiled because of undefined ID). So, this patch contains a temporary hack (for me, to overcome this problem). It just defines VER1_0_7 in forms.pp (and nowhere else). So, may be, it would be reasonable to delete this line and to make a good fix..

The FCL supports TDataModule since last tuesday. Because you can't IFDEF the compiler date, I added the IFDEF VER1_0_7. I hoped the 1_0_8 and 1_1 will be updated really soon. But the current 1_1 is not usable with lazarus. I changed it to IFDEF VER1_0_8.

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Mattias Gaertner
to James Mills: What FPC Compiler is needed in order to use Lazarus ? Also, will this ever change so that…
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On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 11:12:07AM +0200, Mattias Gaertner wrote: > On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:52:27 +1000 > James Mills wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > What FPC Compiler is needed in order to use Lazarus ? > > - At least 1.0.7 from 21. sept 2002. > - The rpms need their rpm counterparts. > - We are waiting for the announcement of the 1.0.8. The 1.0.8 is a bug > fix release and will become the recommended compiler for lazarus. > > > > Also, will this ever change so that you can just use the compiler you > > already have installed. It seems such a bother to have to install > > another compiler specific for Lazarus... (I'm using Debian, and prefer > > to use Debian distributions, with exceptions). > > I got the same problem. I plan to setup an lazarus and fpc apt-get > source for deb and rpm. But this needs time... Okay, this will be good. Question: Will Lazarus every be able to use a stable fpc compiler or always have to use a different version ?

The 1.0.x is the stable version since 3 years. It became more and more stable. Probably you mean the 'released' version. This is the case for the coming 1.0.8. The tgz and rpms are already there. I hope the debs will follow soon.

As always: if we found a critical bug, then the 1.0.8 will become 'unstable' for lazarus and we have to switch to a stable version.

Mattias

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Peter Vreman
to James Mills: What FPC Compiler is needed in order to use Lazarus ? Also, will this ever change so that…
See the thing I don't get is I have 1.0.6 (a released version, yes sorry I meant released vs. stable), why won't Lazarus work with FPC 1.0.6 ? Will Lazarus work for future (released) versions of FPC without the need for a 2nd (different version) compiler ?

The reason is very simple: The 1.0.6 compiler generates buggy code when compiling Lazarus.

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Vasily I. Volchenko
to James Mills: What FPC Compiler is needed in order to use Lazarus ? Also, will this ever change so that…

Great work was done for common localization. And I have mostly translated all new to Russian. Patch on Sunday's cvs is located http://www.ussr.to/Russia/vvi/fpclcl/lazloc09_06_03.diff.gz Besides, Sundays cvs had a bug, which made problems with FPC 1.1. The problem was in forms.pp (it can't be compiled because of undefined ID). So, this patch contains a temporary hack (for me, to overcome this problem). It just defines VER1_0_7 in forms.pp (and nowhere else). So, may be, it would be reasonable to delete this line and to make a good fix..

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James Mills
to James Mills: What FPC Compiler is needed in order to use Lazarus ? Also, will this ever change so that…
Mattias Gaertner wrote 36 lines
On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 20:06:19 +1000 James Mills wrote: > On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 11:12:07AM +0200, Mattias Gaertner wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:52:27 +1000 > > James Mills wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > What FPC Compiler is needed in order to use Lazarus ? > > > > - At least 1.0.7 from 21. sept 2002. > > - The rpms need their rpm counterparts. > > - We are waiting for the announcement of the 1.0.8. The 1.0.8 is a bug > > fix release and will become the recommended compiler for lazarus. > > > > > > > Also, will this ever change so that you can just use the compiler you > > > already have installed. It seems such a bother to have to install > > > another compiler specific for Lazarus... (I'm using Debian, and prefer > > > to use Debian distributions, with exceptions). > > > > I got the same problem. I plan to setup an lazarus and fpc apt-get > > source for deb and rpm. But this needs time... > > Okay, this will be good. > Question: Will Lazarus every be able to use a stable fpc compiler or > always have to use a different version ? The 1.0.x is the stable version since 3 years. It became more and more stable. Probably you mean the 'released' version. This is the case for the coming 1.0.8. The tgz and rpms are already there. I hope the debs will follow soon. As always: if we found a critical bug, then the 1.0.8 will become 'unstable' for lazarus and we have to switch to a stable version.

See the thing I don't get is I have 1.0.6 (a released version, yes sorry I meant released vs. stable), why won't Lazarus work with FPC 1.0.6 ? Will Lazarus work for future (released) versions of FPC without the need for a 2nd (different version) compiler ?

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James

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Marco van de Voort
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On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 12:22:24PM +0200, Mattias Gaertner wrote: > > always have to use a different version ? > > The 1.0.x is the stable version since 3 years. It became more and more > stable. Probably you mean the 'released' version. This is the case for the > coming 1.0.8. The tgz and rpms are already there. I hope the debs will > follow soon. > > As always: if we found a critical bug, then the 1.0.8 will become 'unstable' > for lazarus and we have to switch to a stable version. See the thing I don't get is I have 1.0.6 (a released version, yes sorry I meant released vs. stable), why won't Lazarus work with FPC 1.0.6 ?

1.0.6 contains critical bugs that prevent Lazarus from compiling, and workarounds would compromise the Lazarus design too much.

Will Lazarus work for future (released) versions of FPC without the need for a 2nd (different version) compiler ?

No guarantees. However statistically it seems that the amounts of critical problems is decreasing each iteration.

This is partially also because FPC has built a regression testing suite after 1.0.x, which is steadily expanding, and usually avoids regressions in desired behaviour.

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James Mills

Hi,

What FPC Compiler is needed in order to use Lazarus ?

Also, will this ever change so that you can just use the compiler you already have installed. It seems such a bother to have to install another compiler specific for Lazarus... (I'm using Debian, and prefer to use Debian distributions, with exceptions).

- - James Mills Zero Defect Software Engineers Group - ZDSEG

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Mattias Gaertner
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Hi, What FPC Compiler is needed in order to use Lazarus ?

- At least 1.0.7 from 21. sept 2002.
- The rpms need their rpm counterparts.
- We are waiting for the announcement of the 1.0.8. The 1.0.8 is a bug fix release and will become the recommended compiler for lazarus.

Also, will this ever change so that you can just use the compiler you already have installed. It seems such a bother to have to install another compiler specific for Lazarus... (I'm using Debian, and prefer to use Debian distributions, with exceptions).

I got the same problem. I plan to setup an lazarus and fpc apt-get source for deb and rpm. But this needs time...

Mattias

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James Mills
to James Mills: What FPC Compiler is needed in order to use Lazarus ? Also, will this ever change so that…
Mattias Gaertner wrote 20 lines
On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:52:27 +1000 James Mills wrote: > Hi, > > What FPC Compiler is needed in order to use Lazarus ? - At least 1.0.7 from 21. sept 2002. - The rpms need their rpm counterparts. - We are waiting for the announcement of the 1.0.8. The 1.0.8 is a bug fix release and will become the recommended compiler for lazarus. > Also, will this ever change so that you can just use the compiler you > already have installed. It seems such a bother to have to install > another compiler specific for Lazarus... (I'm using Debian, and prefer > to use Debian distributions, with exceptions). I got the same problem. I plan to setup an lazarus and fpc apt-get source for deb and rpm. But this needs time...

Okay, this will be good.
Question: Will Lazarus every be able to use a stable fpc compiler or always have to use a different version ?

cheers
James

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Vasily I. Volchenko
to James Mills: What FPC Compiler is needed in order to use Lazarus ? Also, will this ever change so that…
See the thing I don't get is I have 1.0.6 (a released version, yes sorry I meant released vs. stable), why won't Lazarus work with FPC 1.0.6 ? Will Lazarus work for future (released) versions of FPC without the need for a 2nd (different version) compiler ?

FPC 1.0.6 was used for lazarus. But it had a bug, which made it difficult to work with resources (as I know; I think, someone knows better).

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James Mills
to James Mills: See the thing I don't get is I have 1.0.6 (a released version, yes sorry I meant released…
Marco van de Voort wrote 23 lines
> On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 12:22:24PM +0200, Mattias Gaertner wrote: > > > always have to use a different version ? > > > > The 1.0.x is the stable version since 3 years. It became more and more > > stable. Probably you mean the 'released' version. This is the case for the > > coming 1.0.8. The tgz and rpms are already there. I hope the debs will > > follow soon. > > > > As always: if we found a critical bug, then the 1.0.8 will become 'unstable' > > for lazarus and we have to switch to a stable version. > > See the thing I don't get is I have 1.0.6 (a released version, yes sorry > I meant released vs. stable), why won't Lazarus work with FPC 1.0.6 ? 1.0.6 contains critical bugs that prevent Lazarus from compiling, and workarounds would compromise the Lazarus design too much. > Will Lazarus work for future (released) versions of FPC without the need > for a 2nd (different version) compiler ? No guarantees. However statistically it seems that the amounts of critical problems is decreasing each iteration.

Although there may be no guarantee, I'd like to see it happen :)

cheers
James

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This is partially also because FPC has built a regression testing suite after 1.0.x, which is steadily expanding, and usually avoids regressions in desired behaviour. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe: mail with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives

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Vasily I. Volchenko
to James Mills: What FPC Compiler is needed in order to use Lazarus ? Also, will this ever change so that…
Mattias Gaertner wrote 9 lines
On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 13:12:00 +0400 "Vasily I. Volchenko" wrote: > Great work was done for common localization. And I have mostly translated > all new to Russian. Patch on Sunday's cvs is located > http://www.ussr.to/Russia/vvi/fpclcl/lazloc09_06_03.diff.gz Strange, the first few lines are ok, but the rest only crap. Can you check the file?

I have checked. It's really damaged (but my own file is OK). So, try this http://www.ussr.to/Russia/vvi/fpclcl/lazloc_09_06_03.zip I have just repacked, send and checked it. Seems to be OK.

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Mattias Gaertner
to James Mills: What FPC Compiler is needed in order to use Lazarus ? Also, will this ever change so that…
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Mattias Gaertner wrote: > On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 13:12:00 +0400 > "Vasily I. Volchenko" wrote: > > > Great work was done for common localization. And I have mostly > > translated all new to Russian. Patch on Sunday's cvs is located > > http://www.ussr.to/Russia/vvi/fpclcl/lazloc09_06_03.diff.gz > > Strange, the first few lines are ok, but the rest only crap. > Can you check the file? I have checked. It's really damaged (but my own file is OK). So, try this http://www.ussr.to/Russia/vvi/fpclcl/lazloc_09_06_03.zip I have just repacked, send and checked it. Seems to be OK.

Thanks. Applied.

Mattias

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