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to Marius Popa Adrian: On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:58:11 +0100 (CET) LoooL It seems that bor(g)land is mooving…
Marius Popa Adrian wrote 12 lines
On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:58:11 +0100 (CET) wrote: > > Other than that: Works great. And starts about 30 times faster than > Kylix 3 Enterprise, also a nice feature :-) LoooL It seems that bor(g)land is mooving towards .net (borg) microsoft http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/28820.html It could be cool to have a lazarus# when mono is ready (v1.0) or at least a free pascal compiler fpc#

At the moment, the FPC team is not very enthousiast about .NET, apart from technical aspects and the fact that we'd have to severely handicap the pascal language to support it. (no untyped pointers and getmem/freemem)

It also remains to be seen what the future of .NET is. Looking at Java, I don't think we should worry. The big Java breakthough has never taken place. The first serious 100% Java app for the desktop must still be coded (and tricks using JNI don't count :) ).

So if this is the future for .NET, I don't think we'll have to hurry with the implementation...

On the other hand, never say never...

Michael.

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Shane Miller
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I agree at this time it is handicapped due to all the additional files that are required. However, it's not like Microsoft won't start including them in their future OS's. It'll happen because Microsoft will push the money to make it happen.

Shane

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Maro" To: "Lazarus List" Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [lazarus] Request... > On Mon, 2003-01-13 at 17:16, wrote: > > > > It also remains to be seen what the future of .NET is. Looking at Java, > > I don't think we should worry. The big Java breakthough has never taken > > place. The first serious 100% Java app for the desktop must still be > > coded (and tricks using JNI don't count :) ). > > > > So if this is the future for .NET, I don't think we'll have to hurry > > with the implementation... > > We do a considerable amount of .NET programming at the office. For web > development when coupled with Visual Studio it RAWKES. Especially when > integrating with a SQL Server. > > For programming applications with the .NET framework - you might as well > make someone download and install an entire OS for all the required > DLL's and such they need. We don't consider it a viable option for > application development - and we've tried. > > -Tony > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe: mail with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject > archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives

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Marius Popa Adrian
to Unknown author: Some kind soul in the core compiler team managed to fix the compiler so it compiles…
Other than that: Works great. And starts about 30 times faster than Kylix 3 Enterprise, also a nice feature :-)

LoooL

It seems that bor(g)land is mooving towards .net (borg) microsoft http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/28820.html
It could be cool to have a lazarus# when mono is ready (v1.0) or at least a free pascal compiler fpc#
just an ideea

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Tony Maro
to Unknown author: At the moment, the FPC team is not very enthousiast about .NET, apart from technical…
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It also remains to be seen what the future of .NET is. Looking at Java, I don't think we should worry. The big Java breakthough has never taken place. The first serious 100% Java app for the desktop must still be coded (and tricks using JNI don't count :) ). So if this is the future for .NET, I don't think we'll have to hurry with the implementation...

We do a considerable amount of .NET programming at the office. For web development when coupled with Visual Studio it RAWKES. Especially when integrating with a SQL Server.

For programming applications with the .NET framework - you might as well make someone download and install an entire OS for all the required DLL's and such they need. We don't consider it a viable option for application development - and we've tried.

-Tony

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Chris Moody
to Tony Maro: Yeah, but there will ALWAYS be versioning issues with that... Again making sure that you…

I've heard on CNet Radio, that Microsoft may now be going away from .Net, because it didn't work as well as they had hoped.

Chris

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Maro" To: Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [lazarus] .NET offtopic (was Request) > Yeah, but there will ALWAYS be versioning issues with that... Again > making sure that you update all of those files before running the > typical downloaded program. We've already run into that at least once > on our own application when they put out a service pack for .NET > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shane Miller > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 10:57 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [lazarus] Request... > > > I agree at this time it is handicapped due to all the additional files > that are required. However, it's not like Microsoft won't start > including them in their future OS's. It'll happen because Microsoft > will push the money to make it happen. > > Shane > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe: mail with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject > archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 1/10/2003

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Tony Maro
to Shane Miller: I agree at this time it is handicapped due to all the additional files that are required.…

Yeah, but there will ALWAYS be versioning issues with that... Again making sure that you update all of those files before running the typical downloaded program. We've already run into that at least once on our own application when they put out a service pack for .NET

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-----Original Message----- From: Shane Miller Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 10:57 PM To: Subject: Re: [lazarus] Request... I agree at this time it is handicapped due to all the additional files that are required. However, it's not like Microsoft won't start including them in their future OS's. It'll happen because Microsoft will push the money to make it happen. Shane

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Michael Van Canneyt
to Tony Maro: We do a considerable amount of .NET programming at the office. For web development when…
Tony Maro wrote 13 lines
On Mon, 2003-01-13 at 17:16, wrote: > > It also remains to be seen what the future of .NET is. Looking at Java, > I don't think we should worry. The big Java breakthough has never taken > place. The first serious 100% Java app for the desktop must still be > coded (and tricks using JNI don't count :) ). > > So if this is the future for .NET, I don't think we'll have to hurry > with the implementation... We do a considerable amount of .NET programming at the office. For web development when coupled with Visual Studio it RAWKES. Especially when integrating with a SQL Server.

... which is written in C++ if not assembler. QED.

Michael.

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Shane Miller

TI know they have renamed some of the new OS's and such. For example

"Microsoft Rebrands Next Windows Server:
Jan 10 - 7:00 AM ET Microsoft on Thursday announced intentions to rename Windows .NET Server 2003 to Windows Server 2003, stripping the .NET namesake the company has sought to tack onto many of its upcoming products. Redmond employees and partners received word of the change via e-mail, which stated other products would undergo similar rebranding. Microsoft says the change will not affect the final shipping date for Windows Server 2003, which is currently slated for April 24, 2003"

That's all I heard so far.

Shane

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-----Original Message----- From: Chris Moody Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:18 AM To: Subject: Re: [lazarus] .NET offtopic (was Request) I've heard on CNet Radio, that Microsoft may now be going away from .Net, because it didn't work as well as they had hoped. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Maro" To: Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [lazarus] .NET offtopic (was Request) > Yeah, but there will ALWAYS be versioning issues with that... Again > making sure that you update all of those files before running the > typical downloaded program. We've already run into that at least once > on our own application when they put out a service pack for .NET > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shane Miller > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 10:57 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [lazarus] Request... > > > I agree at this time it is handicapped due to all the additional files > that are required. However, it's not like Microsoft won't start > including them in their future OS's. It'll happen because Microsoft > will push the money to make it happen. > > Shane > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe: mail with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject > archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 1/10/2003 _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe: mail with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives

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Mattias Gaertner
to Unknown author: Some kind soul in the core compiler team managed to fix the compiler so it compiles…
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Hi, Some kind soul in the core compiler team managed to fix the compiler so it compiles lazarus again. We should be releasing version 1.0.8 of FPC soon in this case: being able to compile lazarus again was one of the remaining goals for 1.0.8. I've been playing a bit in the editor. Works nearly perfect. The thing I miss most is class completion. Currently, class completion works only in 1 direction: from declaration to implementation. In delphi, the 'implementation to declaration' direction works as well: Enter the following code: procedure TForm1.SomeMethod; begin // This is the SomeMethod procedure. end; Now press ctrl-shift-c. The 'Procedure SomeMethod' should have been added to the 'private' section of the form declaration.

I didn't use this feature very much under Delphi, because the procedures were never added at a useful place. I prefer to sort my classes logical instead of chronological. Maybe I find this feature more useful, when it tries to keep the source order. I have added it to my todos.

Can this be added to the feature wish list or should I submit a bug report ?

I didn't know that we have a feature wish list. Where is it? I think, this is a feature, so it should go there.

Other than that: Works great. And starts about 30 times faster than Kylix 3 Enterprise, also a nice feature :-)

:)
And there is still room for acceleration. e.g. not storing all the default values in the .lazarus directory.

Mattias

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Unknown author

Hi,

Some kind soul in the core compiler team managed to fix the compiler so it compiles lazarus again. We should be releasing version 1.0.8 of FPC soon in this case: being able to compile lazarus again was one of the remaining goals for 1.0.8.

I've been playing a bit in the editor. Works nearly perfect. The thing I miss most is class completion. Currently, class completion works only in 1 direction: from declaration to implementation. In delphi, the 'implementation to declaration' direction works as well:

Enter the following code:

procedure TForm1.SomeMethod;
begin
//  This is the SomeMethod procedure.
end;

Now press ctrl-shift-c. The 'Procedure SomeMethod' should have been added to the 'private' section of the form declaration.

Can this be added to the feature wish list or should I submit a bug report ?

Other than that: Works great. And starts about 30 times faster than Kylix 3 Enterprise, also a nice feature :-)

Michael.

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