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lazarus/kylix

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Liebrecht Venter

If Michael Hess already forwarded the following questions/remarks to you please accept my apologies. I read the recent comments about Kylix (use of QT colors and fonts) and maybe (2) hereunder is relevant....The "building fontmatrix" is very suspicious indeed smelling like wine.........wine builds a fontmatrix...too much of a coincidence and wine-applications also tends to swim on linux. I dont know enough about toolkits,,,but it is suspicious.

Otherwise my questions in (1) is personally of urgent need for a different purpose as I am not developing Pascal/Delphi gui's but hard-realtime drivers and industrial process control in Pascal and Ada. For the Pascal work, Linux seems to be void of the functionalities in (1).
It would really be great for programmers like me in the embedded world to have the functionalities in (1) and do all pascal development in Lazarus.

1) When do you anticipate having "step", "step into" , "breakpoints" etc implimented.
Once this is done I can trash Kylix.
2) Congratulations on the speed of Lazarus w.r.t Kylix. Kylix seems to be a Wine port as it swims on the desktop and is slow (ms dll's replaced

) and does that curious "font matrix build" which is probably nothing else than
wine creating a font database I suspect. I done quite a bit of wine porting myself and this looks like wine covered up. Kylix will not last long (against Lazarus) this way ....
Lazarus REALLY impresses me with speed and native
behaviour only (1) is missing which is a nice feature in Kylix.

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Michael Van Canneyt
to Mattias Gaertner: On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:18:38 +0100 (W. Europe Standard Time) I doubt that. There are for…
Mattias Gaertner wrote 8 lines
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:18:38 +0100 (W. Europe Standard Time) Michael Van Canneyt wrote: > Kylix IS built on Wine. It is just the Delphi IDE (with some windows-specific > things removed) running under Wine. This is true for Kylix 1 and Kylix > 2. I doubt that. There are for example some bugs in the auto-class-completion, that were not in Delphi 5.

1. That is no argument; In the porting process, some things may have gone wrong. You did not seriously think that they would rewrite the IDE from scratch ?

2. If they had rewritten it from scratch, then it would have been extremely stupid to have used wine !

But this is all debatable, the reason for my initial statement was that:

3. When I was at Borland when they started, this was what they said they were doing.

so...

Anyway, it is a non-issue. Lazarus does not use any intermediate layer such as wine, and this is what matters.

Michael.

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Michael Van Canneyt
to Liebrecht Venter: If Michael Hess already forwarded the following questions/remarks to you please accept my…
Liebrecht Venter wrote 7 lines
If Michael Hess already forwarded the following questions/remarks to you please accept my apologies. I read the recent comments about Kylix (use of QT colors and fonts) and maybe (2) hereunder is relevant....The "building fontmatrix" is very suspicious indeed smelling like wine.........wine builds a fontmatrix...too much of a coincidence and wine-applications also tends to swim on linux. I dont know enough about toolkits,,,but it is suspicious.

Kylix IS built on Wine. It is just the Delphi IDE (with some windows-specific things removed) running under Wine. This is true for Kylix 1 and Kylix
2. Most likely, the release of BCB (planned in April, if I remember correct) will also be under Wine.

The applications created by Kylix are native Linux binaries, though.

Michael.

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Mattias Gaertner
to Mattias Gaertner: On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:18:38 +0100 (W. Europe Standard Time) I doubt that. There are for…
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On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Mattias Gaertner wrote: > On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:18:38 +0100 (W. Europe Standard Time) > Michael Van Canneyt wrote: > > > Kylix IS built on Wine. It is just the Delphi IDE (with some windows-specific > > things removed) running under Wine. This is true for Kylix 1 and Kylix > > 2. > > I doubt that. There are for example some bugs in the auto-class-completion, that were not in Delphi 5. 1. That is no argument; In the porting process, some things may have gone wrong. You did not seriously think that they would rewrite the IDE from scratch ? 2. If they had rewritten it from scratch, then it would have been extremely stupid to have used wine !

Of course they recycled some Delphi code. But I doubt, that Kylix is just Delphi on wine. They must have rewritten big parts of it. And IMO this Kylix "port" is not Delphi. But I don't care.
I know an alternative.

Mattias

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