No-one of the FPC team contacted Linux journal. I did that once in January, but I was then refused, reason: not interesting enough, please try linux gazette.

What issue is this in ?
(I have till July 2000...)

Michael.

PM Marc Weustink wrote

I already was afraid of that. The "eu" sound is difficult to translate to english but it sounds like the u in pleasure but 2-3 times longer. The rest is the same (I think): weu-stink

Why not capture it to a wav or au file and post it on the website. Like Linus did for his name (which even having heard, I still can't pronounce, so I don't think I'd have a chance with yours!)

But then, people can't pronounce my name either (actually, they can, they just refuse to say WORM as WORM, afraid it might offend me, so the say WARM or WIRM).

Jeff.

Duhhhh.

My surname is a bit difficult so if you want to know that I'll try

Of course your surname is what I was talking about. :-)

Well we will see how it works on the flip side.

Last weekend I was contacted by Linux World to do an interview on Lazarus. They are doing an article on Kylix (of course) but thought that it would be a good idea to present Lazarus right along side of it in the article.

During the interview I of course talked up the Free Pascal Compile as being the brains of Lazarus which couldn't exist without it, so forth and so on. I also talked up our main contributers at this time, Shane and Marc (Marc you must tell me exactly how to pronounce your name :-)

In the end I am not sure how much will actually make it in to the article because I think they were looking to see how compatible Lazarus will be with Kylix, in other words will it be able to compile and use Kylix code. I bascially said that I don't have a clue since not many people have even seen any real Kylix code. However Lazarus will be in a better position to be used on multiple platforms and to make better use of existing Delphi code then it appears Kylix will. (maybe just my opinion but we will see).

I also indicated that the pending release of FPC 1.0 will help in our development since it will mean a fixed compiler to build Lazarus on and maybe that will help us to gather more contributers which is what I indicated was our biggest need.

So that is basically what the interview centered around. Now to see exactly what they put in the article. They will notify me when the article will be in print as it were.

So I expect that with the pending release of FPC 1.0 and this timely news article we might see an increase in interest and hopefully HELP.

:-)

Duh, hearing myself pronouncing my name.... naaaahhh

Alltough I've been a DJ for years, I still have problems with listening to myself afterwards :-)

Marc

Greetings from San Diego. Thought you all might want to know what's up down here...

1. Chairman Dale and Co. seem to have gotten the bug to create cross-platform development tools. Not just win32/linux, but very cross platform.

2. They also seem convinced that they can get a large number of VB programmers to switch to Delphi with this theme: "Delphi 5 is the quickest path to linux app development from VB.

3. They had a couple more demos:

a. The componant palette has a few tabs now.

b. The quickie demo worked okay.

c. They got a database access demo working with db componants and midas that worked after a few tries. Man, the guy doing the demo was bright red and sweating bullets while he was having problems :)

All in all, pretty impressive. The lady behind me even let out an 'oh my god' when the db demo worked.

4. I've only attended two linux/kylix sessions but they both had pretty low attendance. Based on chatting with a few attendies, it seems like the delphi community at large isn't as excited about kylix as you might think. Just my impression after a day...

5. No mention of FPC/Lazarus. That kind of irks me, especially when they keep claiming that they're the 'first linux rad tool.' Who knows, you might be first! I may bring this up to them if I have the opportunity. Speaking of scheduling, the party line is 'release when it's finished.'

If anyone wants me to try to find out anything in particular, send a note to me or the list and I'll do my best.

Mike Z.

+ From: Michael A. Hess
+
+ Marc Weustink wrote:
+ >
+ > + From: Michael A. Hess
+ >
+ > + (Marc you must tell me exactly how to pronounce your name :-)
+ >
+ > Marc is pronounced exactly the same as Mark :) +
+ Duhhhh.

LOL... Sorry...

+ > My surname is a bit difficult so if you want to know that I'll try +
+ Of course your surname is what I was talking about. :-)

I already was afraid of that.

The "eu" sound is difficult to translate to english but it sounds like the u in pleasure but 2-3 times longer. The rest is the same (I think): weu-stink

Marc

as a side note to this, i just picked up the latest issue of Linux Journal (i think it was) and they had a quickie report on FPC but absolutely nothing on Lazarus. thought that was too bad.
i don't have any idea who would have contacted who, but it seems that generally the FPC people and the Laz people work pretty closely, too bad no one mentioned the Laz side. (or perhaps they did but the mag left it out)

moose.

time ago.

comes'...

(clx).

My guess is that they'll try to cooperate with TrollTech from the Qt

toolkit...

And of course you can always ask: 'How does all this this compare to Free Pascal ?' 'Why doesn't borland cooperate more with the FPC/Lazarus team in this C

and VB world?'

It wasn't in LJ.

I just did a quick scan of the various mags and found that in the current issue of Linux Magazine they did a review titled.

Free (and Good) Pascal 0.99.14

The content of the article isn't online and won't be available online for 2 months. I'll try to go out and buy a copy of the mag. and scan it in to make available for anyone who wants to see it. I'll post a notice if I get it and it is available.

Hello all
after see the message of Mark
i go download the latest snapshot of FPC
and i update my cvs with this
cvs -z3 update base docs fcl lazarus compiler rtl packages

But when i try to run lazarus it`s give me this in a ms-dos box Gdk-CRITICAL **: file gdkdraw.c: line 122
gdk_drawable_unref):assertion `drawable != NULL' failed.

What is the Prob =)

(---------------------------------------------------------) And by the way i have some question about Lazarus

1: Lazarus are able to make win32 Executable ?
2: If you download the latest snapshot of FPC do you need to recompile the compiler with make cycle or it`s in the snapshot (---------------------------------------------------------)

Christian Fillion

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i am not at home right now, but will get back to you on that when i am home on friday.

+ From: Michael A. Hess

+ (Marc you must tell me exactly how to pronounce your name :-)

Marc is pronounced exactly the same as Mark :)

My surname is a bit difficult so if you want to know that I'll try

Marc

So it could be spelled Wuistink too?

thank you. i stand corrected.
i picked up both, but remembered which one wrong. :-( if you didn't plan to buy it, i can scan it and send it to you for posting on friday...

moose.

They call it CLX, i think.. there was an announcement of that not so long time ago.

2. They also seem convinced that they can get a large number of VB programmers to switch to Delphi with this theme: "Delphi 5 is the quickest path to linux app development from VB.

Aaarggghh.... VB programmers coming to linux.. God help us :)

I don't see what could be so hard about it ? DB access is not the toughest part, or so it would seem to me, once you have the GUI up and running...

My idea is that most people probably say 'we'll wait and see when it comes'...

On a conference in Holland, Charlie Calvert asked who used Free Pascal - exactly one guy out of 200 put up his hand - the one who reported it to me:)

If anyone wants me to try to find out anything in particular, send a note to me or the list and I'll do my best.

Try to find out what they want with their cross-development library/tools (clx). My guess is that they'll try to cooperate with TrollTech from the Qt toolkit...

And of course you can always ask:
'How does all this this compare to Free Pascal ?'
'Why doesn't borland cooperate more with the FPC/Lazarus team in this C and VB world?' But I'm not sure that you'll get a friendly reply :)

Especially project Jedi is something of interest for both Borland and FPC ! I once contacted Charlie Calvert about it, and he seemed interested, but he never contacted me again afterwards...

Michael.

+ From: Christian F
+
+ Hello all
+ after see the message of Mark
+ i go download the latest snapshot of FPC and i update my cvs with this
+ cvs -z3 update base docs fcl lazarus compiler rtl packages +
+ But when i try to run lazarus it`s give me this in a ms-dos box
+ Gdk-CRITICAL **: file gdkdraw.c: line 122
+ gdk_drawable_unref):assertion `drawable != NULL' failed. +
+ What is the Prob =)

Not realy a prob. For now you can ignore gdk errors.

+ (---------------------------------------------------------)
+ And by the way i have some question about Lazarus +
+ 1: Lazarus are able to make win32 Executable ?

FPC compiles the win32 exe.
Lazarus is the IDE
FCL (part of FPC) the component library (for components < TComponents) LCL (part of lazarus) the component library (for components > TComponents)

+ 2: If you download the latest snapshot of FPC do you need to
+ recompile the compiler with make cycle or it`s in the snapshot

If you get it from CVS the you have to do a make cycle. Dont know about a snapshot.

Marc

Michael, could you please auto-delete all messages with the words Christian TV loss
in the subject.

Just set a rule to delete them so they aren't passed on please.

Thanks
Shane

>> 07/11/00 06:39PM >>>

It wasn't in LJ.

I just did a quick scan of the various mags and found that in the current issue of Linux Magazine they did a review titled.

Free (and Good) Pascal 0.99.14

The content of the article isn't online and won't be available online for 2 months. I'll try to go out and buy a copy of the mag. and scan it in to make available for anyone who wants to see it. I'll post a notice if I get it and it is available.

you wrote

Try to find out what they want with their cross-development library/tools

(clx).

My guess is that they'll try to cooperate with TrollTech from the Qt

toolkit...

Yes, they are using Qt. Reasons: it's mature, popular, already a multi-platform toolkit, it was relatively easy to wrap OP around it, and they were really impressed with the quality and coding standards (as if the Qt programmers were 'heavily influenced by existing Borland code').

And of course you can always ask: 'How does all this this compare to Free Pascal ?'

I had a quick , which was very similar to linux.pas.

'Why doesn't borland cooperate more with the FPC/Lazarus team in this C

and VB world?'

But I'm not sure that you'll get a friendly reply :)

I didn't really get unfriendly replies. They seem to have a pretty strong corporate mentality, ie, they're developing a commercial product. The replies I got were that they were reluctant to even look at FPC because of copyright issues.

Mike Z.

+ From: Florian Klaempfl

+ > On 07/12/2000 at 3:34 PM Marc Weustink wrote:
+ >
+ > >I already was afraid of that.
+ > >
+ > >The "eu" sound is difficult to translate to english but it
+ > >sounds like the u
+ > >in pleasure but 2-3 times longer. The rest is the same (I
+ think): weu-stink
+
+ So it could be spelled Wuistink too?

Nope, the "ui" sound is different than the "eu" sound ("eu" sounds like the german "oe")

I know, I have a beta version.

They're afraid to find out we've been using their code ;) But project Jedi for instance is a open-source kind of thing, we could at least cooperate there !

Michael.

Hello

Just thought I'd throw my two cents after surviving the Borland conference food (the food at
windev 2000 was much better)...

The focus seems to be along the lines of we
are trying as hard as we can to divorce ourselves from the Wintel platform and microsoft and anything
we can do to stick it to microsoft, we will do.

What scares me about Dale's "we will ship
it's when ready" quote is this. The intense pressure that is being put on the development group to get it out the door. Personally I get the impression that they want it to ship and are stable and are willing to sacrifice features and functionality to meet this.

I kept on hearing over and over, this interface is kinda ackward, but will probably be improved in the first service pack (esp. corbra).

A few notes..
1. CLX is definitely based on QT.
2. They are trying for a 1 to 1 conversion of popular VCL components
3. It looks like everything will be wrapped into and called Delphi 6
4. CLX is composed of 4 types of components, Base,Visual,Data,Net
5. Only the CLX visual components are based on QT.
6. There have been no major changes to the OO Pascal language.
7. They will have compiler flag to indicate non portable code
8. They will have a scan app to determine which components you are using.
9. They would like to get your scan results.
10. Resistance if futile, you will be assimilated
11. Prepare to be assimilated this fall.
12. They are already planning a service pack to help those that have been assimilated.

Personally I'll wait for the first (maybe second) service pack before trying the product.

Kevin Flanagan