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If it's weekly, why read daily? ;^) <GD&R> Jeff.
"Jeff Wormsley" el d�a Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:03:33 -0500, escribi�:
Sergio
No I am not dropping lazarus. I still hold the QT lib for lazarus it would not be right…
Alexandre Grenier wroteWhat would you guys rate as the single most powerfull/well designed language?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Let me think about this one.
Geeeee. Do you think just maybe we will say PASCAL!
:-)
I would love to see Java run as fast as Pascal. If it could, I think it would be the…
you wroteI finally cycled my compiler again today for the first time in about three weeks. For some reason, I cannot compile the LCL now. I am wondering if
anyone
knows what I might be missing?
I guess a piece of new code was committed to early (TWinControl.CreateSubClass). I commented it out, so I could check the stuff I wanted to commit.
New changes:
Rearranged some events to get a LM_SIZE, LM_MOVE and LM_WINDOWPOSCHANGED Initialized the TextMetricstruct to zeros to clear unset values Get mwEdit to show more than one line
Fixed some errors in earlier commits
Marc
No I am not dropping lazarus. I still hold the QT lib for lazarus it would not be right…
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Let me think about this one. Geeeee. Do you think just maybe we will say PASCAL!
Yeah.. I agree pascal is very structured, compiles fast.. etc.. But I also think it has some issues... far from beign insanely flexible like perl.
But perl is weird in some ways.
Hmmm.
What about python? I've never seen that...
But I think it's quasi impossible that one of the languages out there is an "overall best possible".. you understand? Pascal is simply Overall best.. but I bet it could be improved.
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I have one other thing to add...
IMHO interfaces appear to be a cleaner solution than C++'s multiple inheritence. Multiple inheritence
makes the compiler much more complex (and therefore less efficient) doesn't it... Object Pascal is a nice "clean" language that promotes a RAD type of
development environment without sacrificing power...
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I have one other thing to add...
IMHO interfaces appear to be a cleaner solution than C++'s multiple inheritence.� Multiple inheritence makes the compiler much more complex (and therefore less efficient) doesn't it...�� Object Pascal is a nice "clean" language that promotes a RAD type of development environment without sacrificing power...NO, NO, NO and NO, multiple inheritance can be used to implement interfaces, but interfaces give you only a subset of the power and advantages of multiple inheritance, I like power, also C++, compilers produce much faster code than pretty much anything, I don't call that inefficient, I care far more about runtime efficiency than Compile time. although C/C++ does all right there too. As for Rad I have news for you Borland make a twin to Delphi called C++Builder which has all the Rad of Delphi, the VCL, roll your own components, the lot, in fact it has slightly more in that it'll compile Delphi code (Object Pascal) as well as C++. Still I like Pascal I'm glad it's still thriving unlike some languages I could name, It deserves to live.
C++Builder in mutch more slower
than delphi,��
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"Baeseman, Cliff" el d�a Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:36:57 -0600, escribi�: I just find you…
PM Sergio A. Kessler wroteI just find you on lwn.net (linux weekly news, I read it every day) what can I do ? :)
If it's weekly, why read daily? ;^) <GD&R>
Jeff.
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I would love to see Java run as fast as Pascal. If it could, I think it would be the…
That's the drawback of automatic memory management, garbage collection etc. For extra comfort you've always to pay with memory consumtation or speed: Just compare shortstrings and ansistrings of FPC/Delphi: ansistrings can be as long as you've memory (ok, 2GB is the limit), they are automatically allocated/deallocated etc but in average they are much slower than shortstrings.
Ditto... although I do wish there was a short-cut for "begin" and "end". I like C++ and Java's "{" and "}" for "begin" and "end" but hate most other things about the syntax (like == instead of = and = instead of := - how confusing!!).
Cheers,
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Sergio
I would love to see Java run as fast as Pascal. If it could, I think it would be the…
So can pascal implement it with interfaces.
Personally I like a slightly more "wordy" language than C, it means I just have to read the source rather than decode it...
Sam
You could always say VB...or Sinclair ZX80 BASIC :)
Seriously...
single most powerfull
Depends on what you need it for...try writing Device drivers in M (Mumps)
well designed
Doesn't mean it will be useful
my penny's worth... since I don't have a cent ;)
For cross-compilation, it may be an idea to produce something that compiles to a pseudo-code which can then be run by an interpreter/compiler on any system ... no more .EXE or .RUN files or #defines, just a format that can be run on any system. Ah, then again that is what P-code is on UCSD Pascal (not sure if it has come away from that nowadays).
I don't think a single language can give everything that people want, because when it comes down to it, it is personal taste. I use a variety of languages depending on my needs C++ at work, Pascal or C++/C at home, Mumps when I have to support my old code at work, Assembler when I need to write embedded software, HTML for web based coding ... I could go on, but you get the idea.
Never used Python - I assumed it was a script language! May give it a try sometime depending on whether it is of use to me.
What would you guys rate as the single most powerfull/well designed
language?
Ada - I hate it, but have to admit it is well designed and powerfull : of course it is of no use to me because someone would have to support my code :)
Chris
P.S. I still can't get Lazarus to compile on Win32, but that's another thread
Yeah.. I agree pascal is very structured, compiles fast.. etc.. But I also think it has…
I would love to see Java run as fast as Pascal. If it could, I think it would be the ultimate language. It is the best language I have ever developed. It is very close to C++ symantics but you don't have to deal with pointers and memory management (and garbage collection). But it is so slow right now that it really isn't feasible for many applications.
I also love Pascal, but like Cliff said, it is sometimes too wordy and currently doesn't have a mechanism for multiple inheritance (Java doesn't officially have multiple inheritance, but it can be done with interfaces).
Curtis
updated CVS.
made many changes but nothing that is visible to the naked eye.
I am still working on adding TToolbar....
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No I am not dropping lazarus. I still hold the QT lib for lazarus it would not be right for
me to hold up that now would it.
I just build a new development box and loaded 6.1 on it. I am now busy getting things
back in order before jumping back in. I am still working python builder in the mean time also. I am not a language fanatic but I enjoy writing in just about every thing from Python to assembler. I do not do well when tied to a project for a long time. I have to jump back and forth between the two to help keep up my interest.
Cliff
updated CVS. made many changes but nothing that is visible to the naked eye. I am still…
Shane wroteupdated CVS. made many changes but nothing that is visible to the naked eye.
gtkobject.inc: That'sa clear message ;-)
Marc
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The more important question here of course is:
Are you dropping Lazarus or not ?
We can use all manpower we can get.
Michael.
No I am not dropping lazarus. I still hold the QT lib for lazarus it would not be right…
Well I have been doing a bunch of python the last 4-5 weeks and I am very impressed with that. I often thought about learning pearl but as far as I heard it does not do classes. That being the case I will not invest my time in it. Now don't get me wrong I hear pearl is great for text processing but the lack of oop will turn me away in a moment. Java is a eligant language but the performance just plain blows.
Reasons for liking python.
1. capable of multiple inheritance
2. code is not free form (if you do not indent it will not run) this means I can read almost anyones code and make perfect sense of it.
3. dynamic allocation of everything.
4. integrates / extends easily with C or C++ libraries.
5. very short notation
6. runs on just about everything
7. it is free
8. damn easy to learn (I can teach a tard python)
9. plenty of widget implementations for GUI stuff
drawback
t's interpreted so it is slower than a compiled language plus you need python to run it.
I do like object pascal also but it does tend to be wordy with all the begin and end stuff. It also lacks multiple inheritance which is nice to have in some cases. But on the other hand it produces tight fast code.
So yes I am leaning more and more to python. But I still need the others to help it along on occasion. I could never stick to one language any how what a bore, I love them all. But VB really pisses me off, what a piece of crap. I can say that , I have been developing in VB at work for the last 5 years.
Cliff Baeseman
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"Baeseman, Cliff" el d�a Thu, 16 Dec 1999
14:36:57 -0600, escribi�:
You must loving searching for my name on the web..
I just find you on lwn.net (linux weekly news, I read it every day) what can I do ? :)
sorry if I pissed you, I will not do again ...
Sergio
No I am not dropping lazarus. I still hold the QT lib for lazarus it would not be right…
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I would love to see Java run as fast as Pascal. If it could, I think it would be the…
I finally cycled my compiler again today for the first time in about three weeks. For some reason, I cannot compile the LCL now. I am wondering if anyone knows what I might be missing?
Here are the errors I am getting:
wincontrol.inc(16,12) Error: Identifier not found CS_OWNDC
wincontrol.inc(16,24) Error: Identifier not found CS_CLASSDC
wincontrol.inc(16,38) Error: Identifier not found CS_PARENTDC
wincontrol.inc(16,53) Error: Identifier not found CS_GLOBALCLASS
wincontrol.inc(16,67) Error: Illegal expression
wincontrol.inc(25,14) Error: Identifier not found GETCLASSINFO
wincontrol.inc(25,27) Error: Identifier not found HINSTANCE
wincontrol.inc(26,13) Error: Identifier not found GETCLASSINFO
wincontrol.inc(27,13) Error: Identifier not found GETCLASSINFO
wincontrol.inc(27,26) Error: Identifier not found MAININSTANCE
wincontrol.inc(28,9) Error: Identifier not found GETCLASSINFO
wincontrol.inc(28,75) Error: Illegal expression
wincontrol.inc(30,54) Error: Identifier not found CS_OFF
wincontrol.inc(251,1) Warning: Function result does not seem to be set
wincontrol.inc(269,1) Warning: Function result does not seem to be set
wincontrol.inc(277,1) Warning: Function result does not seem to be set
wincontrol.inc(553,1) Warning: Function result does not seem to be set
control.inc(410,20) Error: function header doesn't match any method of this
class
control.inc(410,20) Error: This overloaded function can't be local (must be
exported)Of course, this is also preventing me from compiling Lazarus. Is there a unit that defines these constants that I might be missing?
Curtis
*ARGH* Look at this mess... See my comments below.
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Problems with C++Builder:
The intelli-sense (or whatever you want to call it) is much slower than Delphi.
The intelli-sense is less accurate.
WHY? Because C++ is much harder to parse on the
fly...
Your argument about compile time vs runtime does not hold in the context of a RAD tool. Delphi is far
better suited to RAD because the language is not
complicated by MACROS and MULTIPLE INHERITANCE etc. Two way tools are actually far easier to implement with Delphi's language than with C++. The structure of Units (implementation / interface sections) lends itself to far cleaner pre-compilation than
pre-compiled header files do.
BTW, I've used both languages extensively so I do know C++ quite well.
Kevin.
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