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Borland and copyright issues

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Baeseman, Cliff

I have been checking the last few nights and can find nothing what so ever that even looks like VCL code. The way we structured it totally eliminates any chance that a copy of code would even remotely work.

But in any case do not copy any code it would not do you any good anyhow.

Cliff

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-----Original Message----- From: Michael A. Hess Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 1:22 PM To: Lazarus-List Subject: [lazarus] Borland and copyright issues Greetings, I don't know how many of you have read the emails on the other FPC mailing list about copyright issues and Free Vision. It appears that a large portion of the Free Vision code was taken verbatim from the Borland TV code. I just want to make sure that everyone creating code for Lazaurs is NOT just copying code out of the VCL. I think for the most part we have created original code since it must work in a totally different fashion using independent API methodology. As has been mentioned before, Borland is very aware of who and what we are and from looking at the logs I know that they visit the site on occasion. They have also said that they look into code to make sure that no one is using their code. The last thing we need is a lawsuit because we are using their copyrighted code. What follows is an excerp from the Inprise License Agreement that we all agreed to if we are using Delphi in the first place. ====================== All Inprise libraries, source code, Redistributables and other files remain Inprise's exclusive property. Regardless of any modifications that you make, you may not distribute any files (particularly Inprise source code and other non- executable files) except those that Inprise has expressly designated as Redistributables. ====================== It is the phrase "Regardless of any modifications that you make..." that they can catch us with. All I am asking is that everyone be sure that they are coding without copying from the Delphi VCL. Now that Borland has commited to providing a Linux version of Delphi the stakes have changed. -- ==== Programming my first best destiny! ==== Michael A. Hess Miracle Concepts, Inc. http://www.miraclec.com _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe: mail with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.miraclec.com/list_archives/lazarus

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Jeff Wormsley
to Baeseman, Cliff: Your thoughts on this please. I was asking about loadable modules thinking that maybe we…
Michael A. Hess wrote 6 lines
... This means that the IDE would be able to be expanded in functionality without requiring the user to recompile the IDE or download a who new IDE. They would only need to install the plug-in and then only those plug-ins that they might want to use. I vote to look into doing it. :-)

Hehe, I can see it now...

<DREAM>

GExperts for Lazarus is around the corner...

</DREAM>

Jeff.

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Baeseman, Cliff

I am sure DDD can help you out. I found a exception problem that was giving me trouble in just a minute or two using it last night.

Cliff

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-----Original Message----- From: Shane Miller Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 3:32 PM To: Subject: Re: [lazarus] Borland and copyright issues Yeah, I'll get right on that. :-) I'm hoping to get the editor working sometime soon. I still am haviing trouble with the error keys, but if I get this DDD working, them perhaps that'll help me find the bug. Shane >>> "Michael A. Hess" 10/07/99 02:29PM >>> Baeseman, Cliff wrote: > > I was asking about loadable modules thinking that maybe we should make > the IDE very modular "accept plug in's"??? I think it would be a great idea. After all that is how the Gimp is designed. This would then allow people to design plug-ins that could do specific and complex manipulation of the pascal content. Things as simple as templates, wizards to layout classes from existing classes, etc. This means that the IDE would be able to be expanded in functionality without requiring the user to recompile the IDE or download a who new IDE. They would only need to install the plug-in and then only those plug-ins that they might want to use. I vote to look into doing it. :-) -- ==== Programming my first best destiny! ==== Michael A. Hess Miracle Concepts, Inc. http://www.miraclec.com _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe: mail with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.miraclec.com/list_archives/lazarus _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe: mail with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.miraclec.com/list_archives/lazarus

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Michael A. Hess

Greetings,

I don't know how many of you have read the emails on the other FPC mailing list about copyright issues and Free Vision. It appears that a large portion of the Free Vision code was taken verbatim from the Borland TV code. I just want to make sure that everyone creating code for Lazaurs is NOT just copying code out of the VCL. I think for the most part we have created original code since it must work in a totally different fashion using independent API methodology.

As has been mentioned before, Borland is very aware of who and what we are and from looking at the logs I know that they visit the site on occasion. They have also said that they look into code to make sure that no one is using their code. The last thing we need is a lawsuit because we are using their copyrighted code.

What follows is an excerp from the Inprise License Agreement that we all agreed to if we are using Delphi in the first place.

======================

All Inprise libraries, source code, Redistributables and other files remain Inprise's exclusive property. Regardless of any modifications that you make, you may not distribute any files (particularly Inprise source code and other non- executable files) except those that Inprise has expressly designated as Redistributables.

======================

It is the phrase "Regardless of any modifications that you make..." that they can catch us with.

All I am asking is that everyone be sure that they are coding without copying from the Delphi VCL. Now that Borland has commited to providing a Linux version of Delphi the stakes have changed.

==== Programming my first best destiny! ==== Michael A. Hess Miracle Concepts, Inc. http://www.miraclec.com

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Shane Miller

Yeah, I'll get right on that. :-)
I'm hoping to get the editor working sometime soon. I still am haviing trouble with the error keys, but if I get this DDD working, them perhaps that'll help me find the bug.

Shane

>> "Michael A. Hess" 10/07/99 02:29PM >>>
Cliff wrote
I was asking about loadable modules thinking that maybe we should make the IDE very modular "accept plug in's"???

I think it would be a great idea. After all that is how the Gimp is designed. This would then allow people to design plug-ins that could do specific and complex manipulation of the pascal content. Things as simple as templates, wizards to layout classes from existing classes, etc. This means that the IDE would be able to be expanded in functionality without requiring the user to recompile the IDE or download a who new IDE. They would only need to install the plug-in and then only those plug-ins that they might want to use.

I vote to look into doing it. :-)

==== Programming my first best destiny! ==== Michael A. Hess Miracle Concepts, Inc. http://www.miraclec.com _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe: mail with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.miraclec.com/list_archives/lazarus

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Baeseman, Cliff

Michael,

Your thoughts on this please.

I was asking about loadable modules thinking that maybe we should make the IDE very modular "accept plug in's"???

Cliff

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-----Original Message----- From: Michael A. Hess Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 1:22 PM To: Lazarus-List Subject: [lazarus] Borland and copyright issues Greetings, I don't know how many of you have read the emails on the other FPC mailing list about copyright issues and Free Vision. It appears that a large portion of the Free Vision code was taken verbatim from the Borland TV code. I just want to make sure that everyone creating code for Lazaurs is NOT just copying code out of the VCL. I think for the most part we have created original code since it must work in a totally different fashion using independent API methodology. As has been mentioned before, Borland is very aware of who and what we are and from looking at the logs I know that they visit the site on occasion. They have also said that they look into code to make sure that no one is using their code. The last thing we need is a lawsuit because we are using their copyrighted code. What follows is an excerp from the Inprise License Agreement that we all agreed to if we are using Delphi in the first place. ====================== All Inprise libraries, source code, Redistributables and other files remain Inprise's exclusive property. Regardless of any modifications that you make, you may not distribute any files (particularly Inprise source code and other non- executable files) except those that Inprise has expressly designated as Redistributables. ====================== It is the phrase "Regardless of any modifications that you make..." that they can catch us with. All I am asking is that everyone be sure that they are coding without copying from the Delphi VCL. Now that Borland has commited to providing a Linux version of Delphi the stakes have changed. -- ==== Programming my first best destiny! ==== Michael A. Hess Miracle Concepts, Inc. http://www.miraclec.com _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe: mail with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.miraclec.com/list_archives/lazarus

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Michael A. Hess
to Baeseman, Cliff
Cliff wrote
I was asking about loadable modules thinking that maybe we should make the IDE very modular "accept plug in's"???

I think it would be a great idea. After all that is how the Gimp is designed. This would then allow people to design plug-ins that could do specific and complex manipulation of the pascal content. Things as simple as templates, wizards to layout classes from existing classes, etc. This means that the IDE would be able to be expanded in functionality without requiring the user to recompile the IDE or download a who new IDE. They would only need to install the plug-in and then only those plug-ins that they might want to use.

I vote to look into doing it. :-)

==== Programming my first best destiny! ==== Michael A. Hess Miracle Concepts, Inc. http://www.miraclec.com

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