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Delphi/TSE, Lazarus/X

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Baeseman, Cliff

If you are interested in remote access to linux apps take a look at a group of software called vnc or virtual network computer. You can basically run this client any machine and a little server deamon gets loaded on the linux machine. You can then run x sessions from anywhere on any system just as terminal server does.

The only difference here is that it is free and works better than terminal server.
Did i also mention that you get the code. This product was also originally developed by oracle and att.

We use it a awful lot here and I think Shane will highly recommend it also. It can be setup and running in about 15 min.

Cliff

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-----Original Message----- From: Chris G. Royle Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 12:06 PM To: Subject: [lazarus] Delphi/TSE, Lazarus/X Hi As a very interested lurker, I would like to congratulate the Lazarus Team - well done, can't wait for version 1. I am currently designing an application under Delphi, which will probably use NT Terminal Server to run remote sites over a WAN. The Delphi app accesses an Interbase Server on Linux. I am hoping to use Lazarus to port my app to Linux, and use X windows for the remote sessions. I would also use PostGreSQL as the SQL server. Being new to Linux, I am not sure if this is possible. Does the GTK / Lazarus have the remote x functionality, and do remote X sessions perform close to their Terminal Server counterparts ? I realise that this is a difficult question to answer, and possibly pre-mature - but I would prefer not to pass on too much more money to Bill Gates. Any comments in this regard would be welcome Cheers Chris _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe: mail with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.miraclec.com/list_archives/lazarus

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to Chris G. Royle: Hi As a very interested lurker, I would like to congratulate the Lazarus Team - well…
Chris G. Royle wrote 11 lines
Hi As a very interested lurker, I would like to congratulate the Lazarus Team - well done, can't wait for version 1. I am currently designing an application under Delphi, which will probably use NT Terminal Server to run remote sites over a WAN. The Delphi app accesses an Interbase Server on Linux. I am hoping to use Lazarus to port my app to Linux, and use X windows for the remote sessions. I would also use PostGreSQL as the SQL server.

Why not stick to Interbase ? FPC supports it.

Being new to Linux, I am not sure if this is possible. Does the GTK / Lazarus have the remote x functionality, and do remote X sessions perform close to their Terminal Server counterparts ?

Yes, every X application has this possibility. The remote X-sessions perform very well; I haven't compared with NT TS though. Since the remote-X stuff has been built in in X since it was started, I expect performance to have been an issue since the beginning.

Michael.

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to Baeseman, Cliff: If you are interested in remote access to linux apps take a look at a group of software…
Cliff wrote 8 lines
If you are interested in remote access to linux apps take a look at a group of software called vnc or virtual network computer. You can basically run this client any machine and a little server deamon gets loaded on the linux machine. You can then run x sessions from anywhere on any system just as terminal server does. The only difference here is that it is free and works better than terminal server.

To my utter regret; this isn't true; while I use it a lot at work and performs great, VNC is beaten by Terminal server if the connection is slow such as a 56k modem;

The reason for this is simple: TS sends Windows' primitives drawing code. basically 'draw a line from to' etc, while VNC sends a bitmap pattern. which take more bandwidth...

If you don't use many graphics etc. then TS beats VNC by a long way in such situations.

Just for the record :)

Michael.

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Chris G. Royle

Hi

As a very interested lurker, I would like to congratulate the Lazarus Team - well done, can't wait for version 1.

I am currently designing an application under Delphi, which will probably use NT Terminal Server to run remote sites over a WAN. The Delphi app accesses an Interbase Server on Linux.

I am hoping to use Lazarus to port my app to Linux, and use X windows for the remote sessions. I would also use PostGreSQL as the SQL server. Being new to Linux, I am not sure if this is possible. Does the GTK / Lazarus have the remote x functionality, and do remote X sessions perform close to their Terminal Server counterparts ?

I realise that this is a difficult question to answer, and possibly pre-mature - but I would prefer not to pass on too much more money to Bill Gates.

Any comments in this regard would be welcome

Cheers
Chris

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Michael Van Canneyt
to Chris G. Royle: The 'free' Linux version of Interbase is only version 4.0 or 4.2, while the commercial…
Chris G. Royle wrote 21 lines
> Why not stick to Interbase ? FPC supports it. The 'free' Linux version of Interbase is only version 4.0 or 4.2, while the commercial version is almost six. I currently have 4 running, and it works HOWEVER reading the licensing, it would appear that one is only allowed to run this on Red Hat 5.2. I don't have a problem with paying for software - just the high prices charged. I am currently developing in South Africa, where a 25 user Interbase licence would cost the equivalent of an individual's annual salary. MSql was another option, but they have recently changed their licensing - $250 per user for commercial software. (I have this via word of mouth, so stand to be corrected). PostGreSql has more documentation, language features, and is free (as far as I know). I have yet to test it sufficiently, but the specs look good. Currently once accesses the server with Delphi via ODBC. So - the easiest way to build db support into Lazarus would be to port the Free Interbase Components, and provide initial functionality for Interbase. I suspect that the code would port relatively easily to PostGreSql.

Postgrsql is MUCH simpler than interbase in it's handling. I will start the DB support in MySQL; since it is simple and I am running it; (though I run interbase as well)

Personally, I like the layer that the BDE provides, as it allows one to easily change types of server / server via an alias - no need to change components. I wonder how this could be handled....

I have this covered, I think :-)

As an afterthought, I would not miss TTable / dbase / paradox support.

Of course; dbase should be easy, I think there are enough free TP sources that provide access to dbase files.

Michael.

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Baeseman, Cliff

I will grant you that I only use it on a network not via internet.

Cliff

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-----Original Message----- From: Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 3:39 PM To: Subject: RE: [lazarus] Delphi/TSE, Lazarus/X On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Baeseman, Cliff wrote: > If you are interested in remote access to linux apps take a look at a group > of software called vnc or virtual network computer. You can basically run > this client any machine and a little server deamon gets loaded on the linux > machine. You can then run x sessions from anywhere on any system just as > terminal server does. > > The only difference here is that it is free and works better than terminal > server. To my utter regret; this isn't true; while I use it a lot at work and performs great, VNC is beaten by Terminal server if the connection is slow such as a 56k modem; The reason for this is simple: TS sends Windows' primitives drawing code. basically 'draw a line from to' etc, while VNC sends a bitmap pattern. which take more bandwidth... If you don't use many graphics etc. then TS beats VNC by a long way in such situations. Just for the record :) Michael. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe: mail with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.miraclec.com/list_archives/lazarus

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to Unknown author: Why not stick to Interbase ? FPC supports it. Yes, every X application has this…
Why not stick to Interbase ? FPC supports it.

The 'free' Linux version of Interbase is only version 4.0 or 4.2, while the commercial version is almost six. I currently have 4 running, and it works HOWEVER reading the licensing, it would appear that one is only allowed to run this on Red Hat 5.2. I don't have a problem with paying for software - just the high prices charged. I am currently developing in South Africa, where a 25 user Interbase licence would cost the equivalent of an individual's annual salary.

MSql was another option, but they have recently changed their licensing - $250 per user for commercial software. (I have this via word of mouth, so stand to be corrected).

PostGreSql has more documentation, language features, and is free (as far as I know). I have yet to test it sufficiently, but the specs look good. Currently once accesses the server with Delphi via ODBC.

So - the easiest way to build db support into Lazarus would be to port the Free Interbase Components, and provide initial functionality for Interbase. I suspect that the code would port relatively easily to PostGreSql.

Personally, I like the layer that the BDE provides, as it allows one to easily change types of server / server via an alias - no need to change components. I wonder how this could be handled....

As an afterthought, I would not miss TTable / dbase / paradox support.

Chris

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