----- Original Message ----- <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: JFA To: <A href="" > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [lazarus] Delphi 5, The Delphi decadence... Well... I just saw your message and make me think to recall you about some interesting things than i observed after WIN95 arrived to our world. � Must've been a different Win95 than I worked with...� <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> After WIN95 all routines from Borland Pascal, (Delphi in this case), are only calls to automation of Windows. Bad thing to trust Billy but, any other alternative for Frank ?, (Frank Borland).� I remeber the wonderful times when Frank wrote (Himself) the code from very low level to give us Borland Pascal, and makes me really proud of.� Things I learned with Borland, Edwards and Duntemann, "The Art of Programming", ill never forget.� The characteristics that makes me turn to Pascal 3.0 was, precisely, the power to handle low level.� Now, we all must learn an horrible thing like windows always changing and unstable close to CHAOS with eating byte coding and lot of garbage allocated in mem for nothing. � Frank who?� (Frank Borland is a mythological creation of the Borland advertising department.� The head of Borland at that time was Phillipe Kahn and Borland was marketing a Pascal compiler purchased from a European developer.(Turbo Pascal)� Borland's software development department has been continuously upgrading that compiler ever since.� As for handling low-level machine control, that is still somewhat possible with Win95, although it is much easier with WinNT.� And, wrapping WinAPI calls started with BPW and Delphi 1.0 under Win3X.� Actually, most of the VCL is still relatively free of WinAPI ties and can be easily ported.� However, whereever COM/DCOM/ActiveX enters the picture, the relevant VCL code is heavily WinXX dependent. � <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> What i think is Frank sold because he saw what im telling ya write now.� So, inprise is a comercial company and, of course, not a programmer that knows and love his work.� They only interested in sells but, no way to talk about coding.� They INTERNET components are close to unusable and when you go and look for information all ya fine is the same components at a price close to $5,000.� Same components but they say it works.� LOL. � Not so!� I think you'd find that most of the Delphi, C++ Builder and JBuilder development staff have a true love of programming.� However, for Inprise/Borland to survive in the current Windows marketplace, the Windows language products MUST support all WinAPI features and multi-tier development.� And companies that buy such software have been conditioned over the years to think that a $5,000 development package as cheap for the price.� But then, most major corporations do NOT want programming staff members who use the same package for home/personal development. � <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> Man!..� I prophetize you� our world won't be the same anymore....� Solutions? � Why not to go back and make libraries just form the core of BIOS, so that our routines works in any PC system? � And if we only handle BIOS functions, we will not have a GUI development environment.� Considering that the purpose is to get all potential users to be able to use our products without having to experience steep learning curves, a command-line interface is out of the question.� Furthermore, if our product only works in basic text-mode, it'll look rather shabby and low-quality compared to WinNT or Gnome or KDE...� Look how many people who are computer illiterate have been able to make use of the Macs and iMacs... <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> Thats what im thinking to do, but... I think no profit in there. � If we only handle BIOS we can run in any PC. � And shooting ourselves in the head would solve the problem too, no? <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> This is the first time i wrote to someone involved in Lazarus Project and maybe because i thought you suffering same as me and many other programmers.� I've beed coding from the 70's.� I never saw something so stupid like WINDOWS. � �That's right where you belong, back in the 70's...� Of course, even with the full GUI/RAD support of Lazarus, you can still create command-line monsters, but I wouldn't expect you'd find many buyers. � Derek <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> � THANKS!

-----Original Message----- From: Carlos M. Leite Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 10:22 AM To: Subject: Re: [lazarus] Delphi 5, The Delphi decadence... It seems Professional now includes WebBroker, formerly a Client/server feature or a US$ 200,00 add to Professional 4.0, Client/Server now also includes XML support. Luis Ortega Mel�ndez escreveu: A new product from Borland offers basically the same featuresof the previous products but with a simple price of $2,600.00for the enterprise edition... the professional and standard areexactly the same... thats good news for Lazarus project...

-----Original Message----- From: Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 2:04 PM To: Subject: RE: [lazarus] Delphi 5, The Delphi decadence... On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Baeseman, Cliff wrote: > for windows xml you can just use msxml control probably not worth the client > server edition. > > If you wan't a orb you can use a linux free one instead of the overpriced > windows ones.. My boss believes that CORBA is dead and replaced by Windows' DCOM technology as an intenational accepted standard. You should once talk to him :-) Michael. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe: mail with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.miraclec.com/list_archives/lazarus

-----Original Message----- From: JFA Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 2:31 PM To: Subject: Re: [lazarus] Delphi 5, The Delphi decadence... Well... I just saw your message and make me think to recall you about some interesting things than i observed after WIN95 arrived to our world. After WIN95 all routines from Borland Pascal, (Delphi in this case), are only calls to automation of Windows. Bad thing to trust Billy but, any other alternative for Frank ?, (Frank Borland). I remeber the wonderful times when Frank wrote (Himself) the code from very low level to give us Borland Pascal, and makes me really proud of. Things I learned with Borland, Edwards and Duntemann, "The Art of Programming", ill never forget. The characteristics that makes me turn to Pascal 3.0 was, precisely, the power to handle low level. Now, we all must learn an horrible thing like windows always changing and unstable close to CHAOS with eating byte coding and lot of garbage allocated in mem for nothing. Yep I agree with that we don't have anyone in house other than myself that knows anything about low level code. Assembler and such! What i think is Frank sold because he saw what im telling ya write now. So, inprise is a comercial company and, of course, not a programmer that knows and love his work. They only interested in sells but, no way to talk about coding. They INTERNET components are close to unusable and when you go and look for information all ya fine is the same components at a price close to $5,000. Same components but they say it works. LOL. Yep it's all about the buck now! Man!.. I prophetize you our world won't be the same anymore.... Solutions? Why not to go back and make libraries just form the core of BIOS, so that our routines works in any PC system? maybe at least processor level. Thats what im thinking to do, but... I think no profit in there. If we only handle BIOS we can run in any PC. This is the first time i wrote to someone involved in Lazarus Project and maybe because i thought you suffering same as me and many other programmers. I've beed coding from the 70's. I never saw something so stupid like WINDOWS. Amen! THANKS! -----Original Message----- From: Luis Ortega Mel�ndez < > To: < > Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 12:01 PM Subject: [lazarus] Delphi 5, The Delphi decadence... A new product from Borland offers basically the same features of the previous products but with a simple price of $2,600.00 for the enterprise edition... the professional and standard are exactly the same... thats good news for Lazarus project...