This is very correct and thanx for backing me on this one. I write code almost every waking hour of every single day and yes, sometimes I do stuff other than lazarus. Should I feel guilty about this? I can tell you what my answer to that is. I write code because it is my absolute passion not because I feel obligated to anyone to do it.

As for the java thing I may look into that even some more but that is my choice.

I actually wrote the code for some guys on the blackdown list that were having problems. I have since turned the baseline operating system code over to them for continued development.

Now don't bother me anymore I am writing lazarus code........

Cliff

Sergio, you didn't do any favor to anyone. I agree my code is messy, but that's because it was really meant for Cliff and I to mess with. It's ok for others to look at and add to but we aren't pounding on the tables to attract people. I'm simply looking for ideas. If someone would like to pitch in code, that's great. For now, I need ideas that will work so I can implement them. You don't need to look at my code if you don't want to.

Shane

Excellent post.

I have to admit that I haven't read the docs on opensource.org either, and I should have (I will this weekend!). I've started an OS project and already am feeling the effects of the lack of codebase. It's tough when you have a good idea, that lends itself to OS development, then sit on it until the time is right.

I have the feeling that this is where the "leadership" issue comes into play. It's not really leadership in the sense of telling others what to do and how to do it, it's having an already implemented framework that others can add to if they like.

That being said, kudos to Cliff and Shane for their efforts! We're in kind of a difficult situation where OS development is relatively new (and subject to some mistakes) and being a cutting edge project, the tools are in development and not that easy to work with. The efforts of everyone involved are greatly appreciated by me!

I look forward to getting my project on track and helping out here where possible, even if only to provide some example code to this project. The delphi/linux/ms deal rumours only add fuel to my desire to see this work.

Have a good weekend, all :)

mz.

Sergio A. Kessler wrote

isn't funny ?

Why should I think it is? Isn't he allowed to work on multiple things? Aren't you working with gEdit and some Gnome stuff?

I am usually an easy going fellow but I have to ask you, why are you still here? You said over 3 days ago that you were out of here. You have done nothing but put down any discussion going on, and insulted people. You have as much as said that doing just a GTK link is foolish and we are crazy for not coding to Gnome. So where are your bindings to the Gnome libraries? Let's stop all this harassment and just code, shall we.

No dude I was just jogging the brains of the guys on the java list. My eyes are blood shot from working lazarus last night thank you...

Cliff

"Michael A. Hess" el d�a Fri, 02 Jul 1999 18:29:14 -0400, escribi�:

/Of course/ he can ... just that was funny to find Cliff (the very same Cliff) quoted in Linux weekly news (a very popular site) saying that he was doing a GUI environment like Gnome or KDE in Java and I think is funny and a good idea (but just an idea)

Aren't you working with gEdit and some Gnome stuff?

so ? (and it's not gEdit, but gIDE)

I am usually an easy going fellow but I have to ask you, why are you still here? You said over 3 days ago that you were out of here. You have done nothing but put down any discussion going on, and insulted people.

what people I've insulted ? Shane ? I just tell that their code is messy and he recognized it, and maybe that is another thing he doesn't know about open source: messy code is no fun /at all/ to hack on (so I somewhat consider that I have done a little favor).

You have as much as said that doing just a GTK link is foolish and we are crazy for not coding to Gnome.

You will need the full toolkit (whatever he be) in the /long run/. But that is _my_ opinion (maybe I was not clear on this).

Sergio

two days ago I was about to send an email saying that _one_ of the problems with lazarus is that Cliff changed his ideas every five minutes, but later I decided not to send it.

imagine my surprise when I see this:

http://lwn.net/1999/0701/a/desktop2.html

http://lwn.net/1999/0701/a/desktop.html

in Linux weekly news !

isn't funny ?
Anyway, I wish you Cliff, the best of the best luck. (wonder what new proyect you will have the next week :)

but do yourself a favor, go to http://www.opensource.org and read "the Cathedral and the baazar" specially where it say that a succesfull project need a good code base before going public, and "Worse is better", then learn from the a desktop in java is a good idea after all, but you need more than ideas.

Sergio