Hi,

finally we have simple way to test new syntax to improve FPC quality / $MODE DELPHI without spending $ on Delphi :)

Probably limited time offer:

https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi/starter/promotional-download

thanks for the link
downloading ....

2016-08-23 10:43 UTC+01:00, Maciej Izak :

Downloaded, thank you very much for sharing!

Sandro Cumerlato

"Offer valid from August 22nd 2016 to September 9th 2016"

So people interested should be aware of this time limit.

Thank you! I didn't know that.

Best regards,
Marcos Douglas

Nice. Thanks. Pretty much gave up on Delphi due to costs. For a single developer who doesn't make money off his programs, this'll be nice.

Side note: So, as *none* of you know, I recently moved from "Tech Support" to another position within the company I work for. I look at what Berlin offers, one of their pics on a cell phone is "Tech Support Meeting". Sent a shiver down my spine.

$MODE DELPHI without spending $ on Delphi :)

Probably limited time offer: https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi/starter/promotional-download

<https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi/starter/promotional-download>

Great news.

Thank you! (y)

what about windows 7

Thanks a lot.
I wonder if there is any catch.
Anyway, I gave up Delphi after Delphi 5 and stick to FPC since then. However, from time to time, I miss its lightning fast compiler and good debugger.

Dennis

Dennis wrote

Thanks a lot. I wonder if there is any catch.

you mean like having to create an account, having to provide a phone number or having to run it in a winwhatever environment? ;)

Anyway, I gave up Delphi after Delphi 5 and stick to FPC since then. However, from time to time, I miss its lightning fast compiler and good debugger.

i definitely miss that from TP/BP...

2016. 08. 23. 17:40 keltezéssel, Dennis írta:

I miss its lightning fast compiler and good debugger.

+1

Gabor

it says:
"a limited commercial use license"

I wonder that means.

To me, the company has a very bad public image after Delphi 7, so I get paranoid.

Dennis

Just read the license, simple as that...

As a very rough summary, you can't use the Starter Edition if you are making more than $1000 a year from the software created with it...

Ralf

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Ralf Quint wrote

As a very rough summary, you can't use the Starter Edition if you are making more than $1000 a year from the software created with it...

And you can't use any edition to "develop an application that is directly competitive to the Product or to any other Embarcadero products" (https://www.embarcadero.com/products/rad-studio/rad-studio-eula )

So no FPC development with Delphi.

Jonas

In our previous episode, Jonas Maebe said:

And you can't use any edition to "develop an application that is directly competitive to the Product or to any other Embarcadero products" (https://www.embarcadero.com/products/rad-studio/rad-studio-eula )

Well, that is of course subject to interpretation, is a free product "competitive" ?

I can't think of a reason why it would not be.

Jonas

EULAs have the same value as toilet paper and should be used for the same purpose. I for one, will use Delphi for whatever I like, and if Embarcadero has a problem with that, they're invited to kiss my ass. :)

g.

Hope you got a good lawyer...

Ralf

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Dennis wrote

I miss its lightning fast compiler

FPC is fast enough for me - especially if you compare it to other compilers like for C, C++ etc.

and good debugger.

Now that I definitely miss!! This is by far the weakest point of FPC.

Regards,
Graeme

2016-08-23 19:42 GMT+02:00 Jonas Maebe :

And you can't use any edition to "develop an application that is directly competitive to the Product or to any other Embarcadero products"

AFAIK they can write any nonsense in the license agreement and nobody can forbid them to do so ;)... You can't dictate people what they can not do with compiler. That means Delphi can't be used to develop any OS project (Zeos, mORMot).

No, it means you can't use Delphi Starter Edition to develop another Object Pascal or C++ compiler, that are competing products...

Ralf

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2016-08-23 22:54 GMT+02:00 Ralf Quint :

No, it means you can't use Delphi Starter Edition to develop another Object Pascal or C++ compiler, that are competing products...

that is part of license for all Delphi versions. It affects also many other open source project not only compilers. They have FireDac and other stuff...

FULLY understanding that this forum is for FPC and not Delphi/Embarcadero, has anyone installed Berlin, gone into Tools> Options> Environment Options> Form Designer and see NO OPTIONS show up? Stuff like the grid size, the toggling the Embeded Designer, etc should be here but I get no options. That particular form option screen is completely blank, and I'm not sure why.

Not sure why either, but that page is blank for me too...

Ralf

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2016-08-23 20:02 GMT+02:00 Marco van de Voort :

Well, that is of course subject to interpretation, is a free product "competitive" ?

Topic on G+ to get more info... :

https://plus.google.com/115782878581272923715/posts/AUHPRTJyF9b

geneb wrote

EULAs have the same value as toilet paper and should be used for the same purpose. I for one, will use Delphi for whatever I like, and if Embarcadero has a problem with that, they're invited to kiss my ass. :)

In which case I would suggest that you never release any software whether under a licence or not. For example. the GPL has some very useful clauses in it, such as:

THERE IS NO WARRANTY FOR THE PROGRAM, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW...... WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO THE QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE OF THE PROGRAM IS WITH YOU. SHOULD THE PROGRAM PROVE DEFECTIVE, YOU ASSUME THE COST OF ALL NECESSARY SERVICING, REPAIR OR CORRECTION.

The EULA exists to protect the rights of the author who may or may not be the vendor. This includes the right to demand an income from your work, to demand that others do not exploit your work for their own gain, and to protect you from the mis-use of your work.

If you don't like a given EULA then don't buy or use the product. But the one thing that any software developer must do is to respect the whole concept of the EULA

On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 23:40:06 +0800, you wrote:

It should maybe be noted that this download apparently requires that you have Windows 10?

Brian.

brian wrote

you have Windows 10?

What!! Delphi still doesn’t support Linux, FreeBSD, RPi, Solaris, Haiku, OS/2, PlayStation, AIX and so forth. That’s no good. I'll rather stay with Free Pascal then. :-P

Regards,
Graeme

Am 24.08.2016 11:22 schrieb "Graeme Geldenhuys" <

I think he meant that you can't use am earlier version of Windows...

Regards,
Sven

Sven Barth wrote

I think he meant that you can't use am earlier version of Windows...

I know what he ment - hence the smiley face in my previous post. Humour is [sadly] often lost in email conversations.

Regards,
Graeme

brian wrote

On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 23:40:06 +0800, you wrote: It should maybe be noted that this download apparently requires that you have Windows 10?

Negative. I downloaded and installed it just fine on Windows 8.1/64...

Ralf

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Ralf Quint wrote

Negative. I downloaded and installed it just fine on Windows 8.1/64...

Anyone knows if Windows 7 would also work?

Anyone knows if Windows 7 would also work?

http://docwiki.embarcadero.com/RADStudio/Berlin/en/Installation_Notes#Operating_System_Requirements

Gabor

Other than that one option page being blank, the app runs and installs fine under a brand new VM of Win7 Pro without SP1.

Going to check to see if applying SP1 fixes that one option form though.

On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 8:25 AM, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho <

Hi,

Please continue further discussion of this topic (except for a possible answer by Embarcadero regarding the non-compete clause) to the fpc-other list.

Thanks,

Jonas
FPC mailing lists admin

brian wrote

On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 23:40:06 +0800, you wrote: It should maybe be noted that this download apparently requires that you have Windows 10?

that sucks even worse than it not supporting other OSes... i'm glad i didn't waste my time downloading it and trying to set up a VM for it... effin' wankers...

Interesting. When you enter your details and get the download link, it very clearly says that it needs the .NET from Windows 10 to run. You downloaded and installed it, have you actually done anything with it?

Brian.

2016-08-23 19:42 GMT+02:00 Jonas Maebe :

by Jim McKeeth from Embarcadero:

=== begin quote ===
There isn't really any official clarification on what that means. The license agreement is the official clarification - anything "official" beyond that would limit the scope of the agreement.

My understanding is similar to what +Roland Kossow said. Anything that someone would do to specifically target or clone our products. I expect that unless what you are doing is pretty blatant there won't be a reaction.

Basically, don't try to bite the hand that feeds you.  === end quote ===

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