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Delphi compiler team left Embarcadero/Idera

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Maciej Izak

Looks like the last one senior compiler guy has gone - Allen Bauer (like Eli Boling before). He is starting a new position at Google:

http://blog.therealoracleatdelphi.com/2016/02/a-new-adventure.html

Interesting info:

[quote author="Ralf Stocker"]
How safe is Delphis future? Who is the new Lead Compiler Engineer? Who is the new Chief Scientist?
[/quote]

[quote author="Allen Bauer"]
There are no plans that I'm aware of to move someone into my old position... All those that I would consider qualified are either already gone or are currently looking elsewhere.
[/quote]

Source: https://plus.google.com/104660942073125276831/posts/AuEUb95pUZu

Related initiative "Lets buy Delphi":
https://plus.google.com/115032677792043930563/posts/Tc4s6jCLEos

IMO Interesting and sad time for whole community.

Best regards, Maciej Izak

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Marco van de Voort
to Serguei TARASSOV

In our previous episode, Serguei TARASSOV said:

Sad news. As we have many UI codes in D7 that cannot be easily ported to Lazarus, the migration to Seattle 10 was in roadmap. Now I doubt to investing into this migration.

Were you planning to buy with subscription? The number of post relases fixes is usually not that high, so for Seattle the calculation regardless of people leaving.

P.s. wasn't this already announced quite a while ago? Last summer or fall? I already knew this, and the message wording also sounded awfully familiar.

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Maciej Izak
to Marco van de Voort

2016-02-22 12:45 GMT+01:00 Marco van de Voort :

announced quite a while ago? Last summer or fall? I already knew this, and the m

No way. This is breaking news. Maybe it was someone else. AFAIK from now, there isn't any of well-known/experienced people on the compiler team.

Best regards, Maciej Izak

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Serguei TARASSOV
to Marco van de Voort: In our previous episode, Serguei TARASSOV said: Were you planning to buy with…

Marco van de Voort wrote

Were you planning to buy with subscription? The number of post relases fixes is usually not that high, so for Seattle the calculation regardless of people leaving.

Yes, the subscription is "by default".
Will see the situation...

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Bo Berglund
to Serguei TARASSOV
Serguei TARASSOV wrote 7 lines
Marco van de Voort wrote > Were you planning to buy with subscription? The number of post relases > fixes > is usually not that high, so for Seattle the calculation regardless of > people leaving. Yes, the subscription is "by default".

Interesting, at the same time the developers leave the team Embarcadero changes licensing such that you cannot get a new version without the extra subscription, which by itself covers bugfixes that presumably stop as soon as the next release is made in 6 months or so.

So a product no longer actively developed gets a higher price...

I'm glad I am retired now.

Bo Berglund Developer in Sweden

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Bo Berglund
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In our previous episode, Serguei TARASSOV said: > > fixes > > is usually not that high, so for Seattle the calculation regardless of > > people leaving. > > Yes, the subscription is "by default". That recently changed? I bought Seattle without in november or so.

There was an email message from them recently that said they are changing the conditions as of March 1, 2016. After that there is always a subscription to buy...

Bo Berglund Developer in Sweden

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Anthony Walter
to Bo Berglund

The problem Delphi ran into a while back comes down to one key factor: PRICE

What is the current cost of their professional version now? Something greater than 1000 buck I believe, and it's been that way for quite some time.

In this age, when anyone with a ".edu" email address (DreamSpark) or website (WebSpark) can get Visual Studio pro for free, anyone can get Eclipse or IntelliJ IDEA for free, anyone can get Python + any IDE for it for free, or get Atom/Brackets for Javascript/HTML for free, it's no wonder practically NO ONE is buying and then using Delphi.

This is especially true when it's so platform limited. The IDE only works on Windows, it has no real Linux support (sorry Kylix), the OSX VCL tooling is abysmal (my god its awful).

You add these in with the fact that more and more developers have been moving to web applications, and you have a recipe for failure.

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Bo Berglund
to Anthony Walter
Anthony Walter wrote
The problem Delphi ran into a while back comes down to one key factor: PRICE

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This is especially true when it's so platform limited. The IDE only works on Windows, it has no real Linux support (sorry Kylix), the OSX VCL tooling is abysmal (my god its awful).

Yeah,
I got myself a personal boost back in 2013 by buying XE5 so as to explore the world of mobile apps, but I never really got going on that.

You add these in with the fact that more and more developers have been moving to web applications, and you have a recipe for failure.

Would it then not be a good time to convert to FPC/Lazarus? Price-wise it would not be a big deal....

At my old workplace we developed industrial automation software and we used Delphi from version 1 up to 7 and then stayed on 7 until I retired in 2011.

Converting from Delphi7 to FPC 3.0 and Lazarus should not be that big of a problem unless there are snags with the 3rd party stuff we used.

If one has moved on with RAD until Seattle and used the stuff in there (like FireMonkey) then it would be a hard deal I guess....

Bo Berglund Developer in Sweden

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