Ok that statement jumped the gun ;)

I ran the generated executables (without the debugger) and at least the generated executables are working ! ;)

I shall give lazarus and free pascal a further try to see how far it can compile my Delphi stuff.

Since Delphi 2007 is total crap (which you can read about here if you interested: http://members.home.nl/hbthouppermans/Delphi2007Crap/Index.htm )

Bye,
Skybuck.

Since Delphi 2007 is total crap (which you can read about here if you interested: http://members.home.nl/hbthouppermans/Delphi2007Crap/Index.htm )

Please don't take this the wrong way - you are obviously dedicated to hating Delphi 2007, but you are a _moron_.

I could list all the reasons why you are a moron, but I'd rather take that to a private email - if you would like to hear them, email me directly.

Suffice to say, many of your compaints are your *own* pet peaves, or just the way Delphi has always worked. Sorry 'bout that, but it's no one else problem but your own.

M

Lol, Please share if you really have something interesting to say.

I have used all kinds of Delphi versions and Delphi 2007 is nearly unworkable for me for large projects.

Otherwise I wouldn't even be on this list !

Bye,
Skybuck.

Lol, Please share if you really have something interesting to say.

I have only my opinions. Maybe they are interesting, maybe not. I have been a Delphi developer for over 10 years though, so I feel quite comfortable to comment. I BETA tested Delphi 6 and Kylix 1. I've seen how bad Borland betas can be (Kylix FT2's IDE didn't even really work - at all.) Compared to Kylix FT3 (which was extremely complete, but didn't quite work properly - the DB stuff was a bit messed up IIRC - still has serious crash issues IIRC too) the released products are certainly no where as bad as some individuals would make out. Delphi 6 (Illiad) was extremely unstable in the BETA I saw. It would frequently crash when you changed project types and the Qt based GUI was really messed up in places (menus being 2 0r 3cm out of place at runtime - but perfectly aligned when designed..)

I have used all kinds of Delphi versions and

Ditto. I started my first Delphi Job in 1997 using Delphi 1 and Delphi 2. I've then used every version up til 2006, save 8... never tried 8.

Delphi 2007 is nearly unworkable for me for large projects.

Dude... try using Visual Studio 2005, then realise you can learn to appreciate what you have. Try still using Delphi 5, 8 or so years after it was released (1999 IIRC.)

Many of the issues you rant about, in hideously bad HTML by the way, are non issues. They either relate to the consistency of look and feel Borland required between the DotNet designer and the Win32 designer (i.e. the Palette is that way so it doesn't completely change when you go DotNet), the DotNet designer does not allow floating Windows at all (yeah, I hate that too, but I'm not going to chastize Borland for it), and well...

You obviously have some issues with App design in general - re: Modal dialogs (apparently newbies use these in their design.. crap I must be a newbie..)

Your rant on tabs is laughable (tabs are evil, *real* programmers use the "convert tabs to spaces" and set the tabstop to 2 and the indent to 1.) If you want to reformat, you use a code reformatter... Something I constantly do in VS2005 as a former coder used 4 or 8 spaces to indent code is not pleasant.

Suffice to say, contact me off list if you wish to continue this conversation... this is totally OT.

M

Delphi 2007 is not even beta, it's a bug, ripe to be squashed.

Use tab characters and you don't need a code convertor.

All you need to do is change tab widths to whatever you like.

Mixing tabs with spaces might make a mess.

Use tabs only is best.

If somebody really made a mess of things then he didn't know what he was doing :)

Bye,
Skybuck.

Delphi 2007 is not even beta, it's a bug, ripe to be squashed.

YMMV. I beg to differ.

Use tab characters and you don't need a code convertor. All you need to do is change tab widths to whatever you like.

No.. this causes more issues. If you use tabs you will invariably get mixed tab/space files. Especially on a large development team ~20+ developers. Lowest common denominator always wins out. Beleieve me, I see it regularly.

Mixing tabs with spaces might make a mess.

Yes.. if you select "use spaces for tabs" (or similar) Delphi will, um... use spaces instead of tabs. Whenever you "tab" you get spaces.

My biggest issue with using the tab character is that it breeds inconsistant coding standards amoungst different projects within an organisation. Sharing code becomes painful.

Use tabs only is best.

That is impossible, because you can't map the space bar to use "tabs" in any IDE I've used recently - so you have to completely change your mind-set when typing code and typing real language. If you absolutely *must* use the tab key, standardize the indent, set everyone's config the same.

If somebody really made a mess of things then he didn't know what he was doing :)

If that is your opinion - you're welcome to it. I hope you can support your own code. Good luck on that. If your coding is anything like your web design skills, I really don't hold out too much hope for you ;-)

Okay - I censor myself. Any more responses to the *LIST* will be ignored. Please email me directly if you want to talk further.

M