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Delphi collaborates FPC?
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What is the advantage of the Delphi IDE? Imo that's the (only?) advantage Delphi has (and…
Rainer Stratmann wrote 6 lines
Am Freitag, 1. September 2006 05:12 schrieb Bisma Jayadi:
> http://blogs.borland.com/nickhodges/archive/2006/08/26/27022.aspx#FeedBack
>
> What do you think? :)
What is the advantage of the Delphi IDE?
Imo that's the (only?) advantage Delphi has (and faster compilation).
It does not really compile faster.
In most cases it does link faster, but that will be remedied soon :-)
Michael.
http://blogs.borland.com/nickhodges/archive/2006/08/26/27022.aspx#FeedBack What do you…
Bisma Jayadi wrotehttp://blogs.borland.com/nickhodges/archive/2006/08/26/27022.aspx#FeedBack What do you think? :)
What is the advantage of the Delphi IDE?
Imo that's the (only?) advantage Delphi has (and faster compilation).
Rainer
It does not really compile faster. In most cases it does link faster, but that will be…
Michael Van Canneyt wrote 12 lines
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, Rainer Stratmann wrote:
> Am Freitag, 1. September 2006 05:12 schrieb Bisma Jayadi:
>> http://blogs.borland.com/nickhodges/archive/2006/08/26/27022.aspx#FeedBa
>>ck
>>
>> What do you think? :)
>
> What is the advantage of the Delphi IDE?
> Imo that's the (only?) advantage Delphi has (and faster compilation).
It does not really compile faster.
In most cases it does link faster, but that will be remedied soon :-)
So why not make a commercial Version of it, if it is better? Then you can concentrate more on your work and the work you like!
Rainer
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Rainer Stratmann wrote> It does not really compile faster. > In most cases it does link faster, but that will be remedied soon :-) So why not make a commercial Version of it, if it is better? Then you can concentrate more on your work and the work you like!
No, because then you also have to concentrate on the commercial/ business aspects.
Jonas
So why not make a commercial Version of it, if it is better? Then you can concentrate…
Rainer Stratmann wrote 13 lines
Am Freitag, 1. September 2006 11:51 schrieb Michael Van Canneyt:
> On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, Rainer Stratmann wrote:
>> Am Freitag, 1. September 2006 05:12 schrieb Bisma Jayadi:
>>> http://blogs.borland.com/nickhodges/archive/2006/08/26/27022.aspx#FeedBa
>>> ck
>>>
>>> What do you think? :)
>> What is the advantage of the Delphi IDE?
>> Imo that's the (only?) advantage Delphi has (and faster compilation).
> It does not really compile faster.
> In most cases it does link faster, but that will be remedied soon :-)
So why not make a commercial Version of it, if it is better?
Then you can concentrate more on your work and the work you like!
Then it gets a duty and gets boring.
Florian Klaempfl wrote> So why not make a commercial Version of it, if it is better? > Then you can concentrate more on your work and the work you like! Then it gets a duty and gets boring.
I so agree with that! :-)
Graeme.
No, because then you also have to concentrate on the commercial/ business aspects. Jonas
Jonas Maebe wrote 10 lines
On 1 sep 2006, at 12:20, Rainer Stratmann wrote:
>> It does not really compile faster.
>> In most cases it does link faster, but that will be remedied soon :-)
>
> So why not make a commercial Version of it, if it is better?
> Then you can concentrate more on your work and the work you like!
No, because then you also have to concentrate on the commercial/
business aspects.
If you want to sell less quality products thats right. It is much more easyer if you have products that have a good quality and if you have people who are interested in it.
It will guarantee also that people who rely on the compiler that they have more security or may be they feel that someone is responsible for it. Absolute security is impossible.
I don't know how you get your money for your life, but you can spend much time in a thing doing it good with less financial support, it works, but you have to make too many compromises in the rest of your life. That is my experience.
Anyway I would like to spend (some) money for it because it is worth it. And you are free to feel dutiful or not (that is in your mind, not in my).
Rainer
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I so agree with that! :-) Graeme.
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote 7 lines
On 9/1/06, Florian Klaempfl wrote:
> > So why not make a commercial Version of it, if it is better?
> > Then you can concentrate more on your work and the work you like!
>
> Then it gets a duty and gets boring.
I so agree with that! :-)
Has someone another opinion, or is it only allowed to say something if someone has the same opinion???
sorry :-(
Rainer
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Maybe a third party can distribute a commercial version of FreePascal / Lazarus and share profits with the FPC community/team. Just like many linux distributions do (think of something like RedHat, Debian, etc.).
My opinion.
--- Rainer Stratmann wrote 23 lines
Am Freitag, 1. September 2006 13:27 schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys:
> On 9/1/06, Florian Klaempfl wrote:
> > > So why not make a commercial Version of it, if it is better?
> > > Then you can concentrate more on your work and the work you like!
> >
> > Then it gets a duty and gets boring.
>
> I so agree with that! :-)
Has someone another opinion, or is it only allowed to say something if someone
has the same opinion???
sorry :-(
Rainer
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If you want to sell less quality products thats right. It is much more easyer if you have…
Rainer Stratmann wrote 8 lines
> No, because then you also have to concentrate on the commercial/
> business aspects.
If you want to sell less quality products thats right. It is much
more easyer
if you have products that have a good quality and if you have
people who are
interested in it.
You always have to do book keeping, tax administration etc.
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I don't know how you get your money for your life, but you can
spend much time
in a thing doing it good with less financial support, it works, but
you have
to make too many compromises in the rest of your life. That is my
experience.
This is simply a hobby of mine. I don't feel like I'm compromising anything. I'm also not getting financial support to read books or go to movies, nor would I want it (because then I'd be forced to go, even if I don't feel like it). Right now I'm fairly active again in FPC, but there have been periods where I was less active because I didn't feel like working on it. Thanks to the fact that I have no obligations, this is no problem.
Anyway I would like to spend (some) money for it because it is worth it.
I'm happy you like it! At this time, there is no way to speed up or improve development by spending money on FPC-related things though. Maybe that will change at some point in the future, but for now that's how it is.
And you are free to feel dutiful or not (that is in your mind, not in my).
If I would ask money for something, I would feel responsible for it.
Jonas
Has someone another opinion, or is it only allowed to say something if someone has the…
Rainer Stratmann wrote 7 lines
>> Then it gets a duty and gets boring.
>
> I so agree with that! :-)
Has someone another opinion, or is it only allowed to say something
if someone
has the same opinion???
Who said you or someone else cannot say anything because you have a different opinion?
Jonas
Maybe a third party can distribute a commercial version of FreePascal / Lazarus and share…
Leonardo M. RamX wrote 5 lines
Maybe a third party can distribute a commercial version of
FreePascal / Lazarus and share profits
with the FPC community/team. Just like many linux distributions do
(think of something like
RedHat, Debian, etc.).
They can even do that without sharing any profits with us if they want to. And they can provide professional support for it and anything else they want.
Jonas
Has someone another opinion, or is it only allowed to say something if someone has the…
Rainer Stratmann wrote 13 lines
Am Freitag, 1. September 2006 13:27 schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys:
> On 9/1/06, Florian Klaempfl wrote:
>>> So why not make a commercial Version of it, if it is better?
>>> Then you can concentrate more on your work and the work you like!
>>
>> Then it gets a duty and gets boring.
>
> I so agree with that! :-)
Has someone another opinion, or is it only allowed to say something if someone
has the same opinion???
sorry :-(
Nono,
Each can have his opinion.
In general, the attitude of the FPC core group has always been that they do this for fun, and have no intention to start any commercial
- or even official, non-profit - activities related to FPC. It is a hobby which is fun and should remain fun.
It has been explained several times that if the FPC users want some extra 'official' structures, they must do it themselves.
We can provide webspace and a DNS name for such user-efforts, and I personally am ready to act as a contact person, but that is as far as it will go...
Michael.
They can even do that without sharing any profits with us if they want to. And they can…
Yes, of course. But if i
--- Jonas Maebe wrote 19 lines
On 1 sep 2006, at 13:52, Leonardo M. RamX wrote:
> Maybe a third party can distribute a commercial version of
> FreePascal / Lazarus and share profits
> with the FPC community/team. Just like many linux distributions do
> (think of something like
> RedHat, Debian, etc.).
They can even do that without sharing any profits with us if they
want to. And they can provide professional support for it and
anything else they want.
Jonas
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Yes, of course. Buf i think if you make money from an open source software it's your responsibility to compensate in some way to the developers of that software.
--- "Leonardo M. Ramé" wrote 36 lines
Yes, of course. But if i
--- Jonas Maebe wrote:
>
> On 1 sep 2006, at 13:52, Leonardo M. RamX wrote:
>
> > Maybe a third party can distribute a commercial version of
> > FreePascal / Lazarus and share profits
> > with the FPC community/team. Just like many linux distributions do
> > (think of something like
> > RedHat, Debian, etc.).
>
> They can even do that without sharing any profits with us if they
> want to. And they can provide professional support for it and
> anything else they want.
>
>
> Jonas
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May be that is an aspect of Mailing lists in general.
Rainer Stratmann wrote> Who said you or someone else cannot say anything because you have a > different opinion? May be that is an aspect of Mailing lists in general.
It is not an aspect of this mailing list. Please don't be so prejudiced.
Jonas
Who said you or someone else cannot say anything because you have a different opinion?…
Jonas Maebe wrote 11 lines
On 1 sep 2006, at 13:46, Rainer Stratmann wrote:
>>> Then it gets a duty and gets boring.
>>
>> I so agree with that! :-)
>
> Has someone another opinion, or is it only allowed to say something
> if someone
> has the same opinion???
Who said you or someone else cannot say anything because you have a
different opinion?
May be that is an aspect of Mailing lists in general.
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Yes, of course. Buf i think if you make money from an open source software it's your…
Leonardo M. RamX wroteYes, of course. Buf i think if you make money from an open source software it's your responsibility to compensate in some way to the developers of that software.
...can you explain it a little more? May be my english is not the best...
It is not an aspect of this mailing list. Please don't be so prejudiced. Jonas
Jonas Maebe wrote 7 lines
On 1 sep 2006, at 14:40, Rainer Stratmann wrote:
>> Who said you or someone else cannot say anything because you have a
>> different opinion?
>
> May be that is an aspect of Mailing lists in general.
It is not an aspect of this mailing list. Please don't be so prejudiced.
My opinion is that it is a general aspect of (any) mailing listst, sorry.
Rainer
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Maybe a third party can distribute a commercial version of FreePascal / Lazarus and share…
Leonardo M. RamX wroteMaybe a third party can distribute a commercial version of FreePascal / Lazarus and share profits with the FPC community/team. Just like many linux distributions do (think of something like RedHat, Debian, etc.).
Maybe it can be a (first) step. Imo it is better the FPC community/team gets direct support. Because (forgive me) what has a third party to do with it, except that they benefit from it? This may be gets a negative dynamic. In another way may be it can be positive if there is a powerful responsible party behind it that does not influence the community by their strange views of capitalism.
I don't know about functioning models to support a good thing in a community environment (correct distribution of the support) but what I know is that it is not possible to make a good thing without support (I repeat that is my experience). In other words saying the project will be even better if there is enough support. And that should be possible in some way, because people use it and they are satisfied with it!
May be I'm wrong, but that is my opinion.
May be a simple donations Button can be a solution.
Rainer
P.S. Yes someone have to write a book and keep it in order. Not the whole day, but this has to be done.
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My opinion.
--- Rainer Stratmann wrote:
> Am Freitag, 1. September 2006 13:27 schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys:
> > On 9/1/06, Florian Klaempfl wrote:
> > > > So why not make a commercial Version of it, if it is better?
> > > > Then you can concentrate more on your work and the work you like!
> > >
> > > Then it gets a duty and gets boring.
> >
> > I so agree with that! :-)
>
> Has someone another opinion, or is it only allowed to say something if
> someone has the same opinion???
>
> sorry :-(
>
> Rainer
>
> > Graeme.
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Rainer Stratmann wroteHas someone another opinion, or is it only allowed to say something if someone has the same opinion???
Of course it´s allowed! I for example disagree.
That´s why I created the bounties:
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