I’ve noticed the last few days that my messages aren’t getting through to the fpc-devel list. Can one of the admins check to see if I was blocked or something? Sorry to post here but I didn’t know where else to ask. Thanks.

Regards,
Ryan Joseph

Ryan Joseph wrote

I’ve noticed the last few days that my messages aren’t getting through to the fpc-devel list. Can one of the admins check to see if I was blocked or something? Sorry to post here but I didn’t know where else to ask. Thanks.

From what I can tell, the smtp servers you use do not handle greylisting correctly (http://projects.puremagic.com/greylisting/ ).

When a mail is greylisted, it gets temporarily rejected. At the same time, the receiving mailserver (lists.freepascal.org in this case) records the from and to address of the mail and sending server's ip-address in a whitelist database (along with a delay counter). The idea is that the sending mail server tries again after the delay is over, and the receiving mailserver sees in its whitelist database that an entry exists for this combination of from/to/ip-address. It then lets the mail through.

This works fairly well because many spam programs are not real mail servers and hence just give up if the first delivery attempt fails. For some reason, the sending mailservers you use does the same (they're all from eigbox.net). This means they're probably badly configured.

The reason you can (usually) successfully can send mails to fpc-pascal, is that there are several existing entries for eigbox.net smtp servers and your email address in combination with the fpc-pascal mailing list in the whitelist database. If you keep trying to send mails to fpc-devel, one of them will eventually get through as well. The longer it has been since you last sent a mail to an FPC mailing list, the less chance there is your mail will get through because the bigger the chance that the from/to/ip-address combination has been removed again from the whitelist.

Jonas

On Feb 17, 2019, at 10:24 AM, Jonas Maebe wrote: From what I can tell, the smtp servers you use do not handle greylisting correctly (http://projects.puremagic.com/greylisting/ ).

Thanks Jonas, I’m going to try changing my smtp server to gmail then, starting with this message to see if that helps.

Regards,
Ryan Joseph

Ryan Joseph wrote

> On Feb 17, 2019, at 10:24 AM, Jonas Maebe wrote: > From what I can tell, the smtp servers you use do not handle greylisting correctly (http://projects.puremagic.com/greylisting/ ). Thanks Jonas, I’m going to try changing my smtp server to gmail then, starting with this message to see if that helps.

FWIW: gmail works fine but you don't get your posts coming back to you... they specifically filter them out and there's no way around that that i've found... it is especially desirable to get your posts back if you pop your mail to a local store and try to keep the threads together for easier following along...

FWIW: gmail works fine but you don't get your posts coming back to you... they specifically filter them out and there's no way around that that i've found... it is especially desirable to get your posts back if you pop your mail to a local store and try to keep the threads together for easier following along...

That sounds pretty much like how NNTP news servers work with News clients...
I do not use email to access these lists (it would cause my inbox to be unreadable) instead I use GMANE's news mirrors of a large number of mail lists.
Highly recommended as it gives you an easy to navigate archive of discussion threads. I have ALL of the posts in this list archived in Forte's newsreader dating back to Sept 2003...
Same for the Lazarus and Borland discussions.

I can search them without going on-line...

i dunno... i get my posts when i use a news client...

I do not use email to access these lists (it would cause my inbox to be unreadable) instead I use GMANE's news mirrors of a large number of mail lists.

that's easily solved by using the filtering capabilities and moving the messages into a folder before reading them... mine even split off-list responses to list posts into their own folders so i don't get confused about if it is a list post or off-list response...

i haven't pulled everything older than when i joined the 30+ lists i carry but i do have everything since then and can search them without "going online"... but who isn't online 24x7 these days? especially with always-on dsl or cable connections? ;)

Bo Berglund wrote

Borland discussions.

Does Borland (now Embarcadero) still have a news server (or web forum) of their own? Last I remember, Embarcadero didn't have the talent to keep their news server running for more than a day before crashing. Yup, software developers that can't keep their own software running. :-/

Regards,
Graeme

but who isn't online 24x7 these days? especially with always-on dsl or cable connections? ;)

Well, when it comes to Product Help, I so dislike "online web help". Never help for the right version of the product I use (even Microsoft fails at this). Never detailed enough help like in the good old days where each widget/setting per dialog was described in the *.hlp or *.chm or *.inf help files.

Regards,
Graeme

Hi Graeme,
AFAIK the Embarcadero NNTP mirror crashed permamently in Aug 2015 and they told everyone to use their web interface instead. Blaimed it on some database problems they could not fix.
Then they thoroughly crashed the web forum that was mirrored to NNTP and replaced it with a new web "forum" that is next to unusable....

So I finally stopped using it, I can still get hold of Remy L through the Atozed forum if I have Indy questions:
https://www.atozed.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=9 Not a high traffic place but it works, unfortunately it is only https though....