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Re: Proposal for new Free Pascal logo

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Ingemar Ragnemalm
Mr Bee wrote 6 lines
Hi, These days, most modern programming languages have its own logo. The logo becomes a "brand", a unique visual identity for the language. It also acts as a "trademark", a recognizable image for the language. It also helps the community to have a single visual identity to distinguish them from other programming communities. I've seen it with many other communities, such as Swift, Python, Kotlin, etc. Unfortunately, I don't see Pascal language –especially Free Pascal– to have a such logo. Yes, I know the FPC's official site got a running cheetah (a .gif file) named as logo. But, I don't think an animated picture is appropriate to be used as a logo. A logo should be simple, unique, recognizable and "iconizable" image. So, I propose a new logo for Free Pascal. It's a simple cheetah's head. The proposed logo in various sizes (for icon) can be looked at here: https://pak.lebah.web.id/fpc/ I also attach the logo as a .png file, in case someone can't open my website. If this proposal is accepted, perhaps it's time to rework the official FPC's website, using the new logo. It's time to make Pascal looks more modern, because it looks pretty old today. I also think the Lazarus' logo can be made better, but that's another discussion for another time. What do you think?

The logo is very good, and well connected to the tradtion set by the animated gif. The alternative would be to use a frame of the animation, or similar sideways cheetah, but scaled up so it can have different resolutions. But the head is more compact, which speaks in its favor.

I am not sure how bit the *need* is but it doesn't hurt to have an official still image logo.

/Ingemar

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Mr Bee
to Ingemar Ragnemalm: The logo is very good, and well connected to the tradtion set by the animated gif. The…

2018-03-30 16:19 GMT+07:00 Ingemar Ragnemalm :

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The logo is very good, and well connected to the tradtion set by the animated gif. The alternative would be to use a frame of the animation, or similar sideways cheetah, but scaled up so it can have different resolutions. But the head is more compact, which speaks in its favor.

Thank you.

I am not sure how bit the *need* is but it doesn't hurt to have an official still image logo.

If we want the young generation to know Pascal with a new paradigm, a modern programming language paradigm, I think this branding effort is quite important. There are so many people still think that Pascal today is still the old 70's Pascal. I even found many universities, at least in my country, that still teach Pascal using Turbo Pascal. When I introduced them to new and modern Pascal, the FPC/Lazarus (or Delphi), they were amazed at how modern Pascal is!

Regards, –Mr Bee

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Alexander Grotewohl
to Mr Bee

I can't help but feel like they'd still just download regular fpc and use it at the console with the help of a minimal syntax highlighting editor. Don't get me wrong, that's exactly how I like to use fpc, but I already know lazarus is awesome for all the bells and whistles.

The problem with the types of classes that use pascal for teaching is the same as the ones that use BASIC: They just want to teach you looping and using variables and stuff. The absolute basics. In these instances it doesn't matter how cool the language is if you're not an experienced enough programmer to use it. Perhaps a decent target would be a database course, where Lazarus has a better chance to shine, and the users actually have a chance to see what's in the RTL/LCL/etc.

As an aside, I don't think the pascal community is that small, it's just spread out. There are a lot of other implementations people cling to (myself included).

Alex

Mr Bee wrote 37 lines
2018-03-30 16:19 GMT+07:00 Ingemar Ragnemalm < >: The logo is very good, and well connected to the tradtion set by the animated gif. The alternative would be to use a frame of the animation, or similar sideways cheetah, but scaled up so it can have different resolutions. But the head is more compact, which speaks in its favor. Thank you. I am not sure how bit the *need* is but it doesn't hurt to have an official still image logo. If we want the young generation to know Pascal with a new paradigm, a modern programming language paradigm, I think this branding effort is quite important. There are so many people still think that Pascal today is still the old 70's Pascal. I even found many universities, at least in my country, that still teach Pascal using Turbo Pascal. When I introduced them to new and modern Pascal, the FPC/Lazarus (or Delphi), they were amazed at how modern Pascal is! -- Regards, –Mr Bee _______________________________________________ fpc-pascal maillist - http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal

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Paul Nance
to Alexander Grotewohl

I couldn't agree more.

I still program in (what everyone now calls console) pascal. While working on a large project, will even go into virtual machine to use the Borland Pascal 7 IDE, which works a little better than the FPC IDE.

Of course, having started pascal with Borland's Pascal for CPM almost 40 years ago, one might call me an luddite of a fashion.

I have written a few small windows type apps, but still prefer console. More of the programming is for function instead of display.

AM Alexander Grotewohl wrote 60 lines
I can't help but feel like they'd still just download regular fpc and use it at the console with the help of a minimal syntax highlighting editor. Don't get me wrong, that's exactly how I like to use fpc, but I already know lazarus is awesome for all the bells and whistles. The problem with the types of classes that use pascal for teaching is the same as the ones that use BASIC: They just want to teach you looping and using variables and stuff. The absolute basics. In these instances it doesn't matter how cool the language is if you're not an experienced enough programmer to use it. Perhaps a decent target would be a database course, where Lazarus has a better chance to shine, and the users actually have a chance to see what's in the RTL/LCL/etc. As an aside, I don't think the pascal community is that small, it's just spread out. There are a lot of other implementations people cling to (myself included). Alex On 3/31/2018 7:57 AM, Mr Bee via fpc-pascal wrote: 2018-03-30 16:19 GMT+07:00 Ingemar Ragnemalm : > > The logo is very good, and well connected to the tradtion set by the > animated gif. The alternative would be to use a frame of the animation, or > similar sideways cheetah, but scaled up so it can have different > resolutions. But the head is more compact, which speaks in its favor. > Thank you. > I am not sure how bit the *need* is but it doesn't hurt to have an > official still image logo. If we want the young generation to know Pascal with a new paradigm, a modern programming language paradigm, I think this branding effort is quite important. There are so many people still think that Pascal today is still the old 70's Pascal. I even found many universities, at least in my country, that still teach Pascal using Turbo Pascal. When I introduced them to new and modern Pascal, the FPC/Lazarus (or Delphi), they were amazed at how modern Pascal is! -- Regards, –Mr Bee _______________________________________________ fpc-pascal maillist - _______________________________________________ fpc-pascal maillist - http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal

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James Richters
to Paul Nance
I have written a few small windows type apps, but still prefer console. More of the programming is for function instead of display.

I also prefer ‘console’ but I prefer it for heavy graphical UI applications as well as functional types of programming. I cannot stand programs the try to conform to using generic windows UI elements when it is not appropriate to the application. I design my own UI using ptcgraph in conjunction with aggpas and generate all the graphics myself… and this gives me an added bonus, I still have the console window as well, as the ptcgraph window so I can output my GUI to the ptcgraph window and generate some reports or logs and such to the console window. My point to all the being, console programs are still very valid and have their uses. I just wish there was effort was being put into further development of the text based IDE, which is what I use to compile and debug all my programs, but I use notepad++ for most of the my editing.

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