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Re: Object upgrades

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Tomas Hajny
On 6/16/19 4:41 PM, Sven Barth via fpc-devel wrote: > Am 16.06.2019 um 17:43 schrieb

Switching to fpc-other, since this is certainly not on-topic on fpc-devel...

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>> if gmail can determine that a message coming in from a list is one >> you sent, it does not pass it on back to you... there's no way to >> turn this off that i've found... they want you to use their interface >> to read conversations and your sent message is included in there >> slotted in where it should be... > I see my own messages both on the GMail Android app as well as > Thunderbird. that's weird... i pull my gmail via pop3 in to my tbird and never get any of my list posts back... i'm on 10+ lists... some with this account and others with my gmail... the gmail account never sends back my messages when i pop them...

I guess that this may be due to your GMail configuration - if you have your own messages in GMail moved to folder Sent automatically (even though they're not Sent via the GMail UI), those messages may not be available for POP3.

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Sven Barth
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Tomas Hajny schrieb am Mo., 17. Juni 2019, 02:47:

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On 2019-06-17 02:05, wrote: > On 6/16/19 4:41 PM, Sven Barth via fpc-devel wrote: >> Am 16.06.2019 um 17:43 schrieb Switching to fpc-other, since this is certainly not on-topic on fpc-devel... >>> if gmail can determine that a message coming in from a list is one >>> you sent, it does not pass it on back to you... there's no way to >>> turn this off that i've found... they want you to use their interface >>> to read conversations and your sent message is included in there >>> slotted in where it should be... >> I see my own messages both on the GMail Android app as well as >> Thunderbird. > > that's weird... i pull my gmail via pop3 in to my tbird and never get > any of my list posts back... i'm on 10+ lists... some with this > account and others with my gmail... the gmail account never sends back > my messages when i pop them... I guess that this may be due to your GMail configuration - if you have your own messages in GMail moved to folder Sent automatically (even though they're not Sent via the GMail UI), those messages may not be available for POP3.

I use IMAP, so that could also be part of the explanation...

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to Tomas Hajny: Switching to fpc-other, since this is certainly not on-topic on fpc-devel... I guess that…
Tomas Hajny wrote 9 lines
On 2019-06-17 02:05, wrote: > that's weird... i pull my gmail via pop3 in to my tbird and never get > any of my list posts back... i'm on 10+ lists... some with this > account and others with my gmail... the gmail account never sends back > my messages when i pop them... I guess that this may be due to your GMail configuration - if you have your own messages in GMail moved to folder Sent automatically (even though they're not Sent via the GMail UI), those messages may not be available for POP3.

i'm not looking for the ones i send out from my tbird to be pulled back in... they are already in my local tbird's sent box... it is the ones that the list sends back that i'm looking for...

yes, i have the list configured to send my own messages back to me... why? so they will be placed in the folder for the list in question so i can read down the messages and see what i sent as well as what others wrote...

think of the old BBS days and QWK offline mail where you upload your messages to the BBS and then download a new QWK packet... if the QWK door is configured to send your messages back, you'll get those you just uploaded as well as the new ones everyone else wrote... this way everything is all together in the one packet...

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to Sven Barth: Tomas Hajny schrieb am Mo., 17. Juni 2019, 02:47: I use IMAP, so that could also be part…
Sven Barth wrote
I use IMAP, so that could also be part of the explanation...

i had a feeling that you were using IMAP... most folks these days do use it... i never liked it because 1) it puts more load on the server and 2) unless you take special care to make sure the messages are pulled to your device, they may be lost if the server has a problem and backups can't be restored somehow...

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schrieb am Mo., 17. Juni 2019, 14:44:

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On 6/17/19 1:52 AM, Sven Barth via fpc-other wrote: > I use IMAP, so that could also be part of the explanation... i had a feeling that you were using IMAP... most folks these days do use it... i never liked it because 1) it puts more load on the server and 2) unless you take special care to make sure the messages are pulled to your device, they may be lost if the server has a problem and backups can't be restored somehow...

I seriously doubt that Google's servers can't deal with that additional load. 😝
Also I never had to configure my Thunderbird in any special way to have the messages fully on my system...

Main advantage of IMAP: it doesn't matter with which computer I check my mails and I have multiple ones that have that account set up. 😁

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Sven Barth wrote 12 lines
schrieb am Mo., 17. Juni 2019, 14:44: On 6/17/19 1:52 AM, Sven Barth via fpc-other wrote: > I use IMAP, so that could also be part of the explanation... i had a feeling that you were using IMAP... most folks these days do use it... i never liked it because 1) it puts more load on the server and 2) unless you take special care to make sure the messages are pulled to your device, they may be lost if the server has a problem and backups can't be restored somehow... I seriously doubt that Google's servers can't deal with that additional load. 😝

true...

Also I never had to configure my Thunderbird in any special way to have the messages fully on my system...

because most default to using IMAP these days... when you say "fully on your system", do you mean that you can disable your modem and still access and read all your mails?? that's what we look at...

Main advantage of IMAP: it doesn't matter with which computer I check my mails and I have multiple ones that have that account set up. 😁

right... that is/was one of the things that IMAP was created for... another unspoken one was to drive storage needs up which helped to drive the storage industry as well...

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Sven Barth
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Am 17.06.2019 um 20:01 schrieb

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> Also I never had to configure my Thunderbird in any special way to > have the messages fully on my system... because most default to using IMAP these days... when you say "fully on your system", do you mean that you can disable your modem and still access and read all your mails?? that's what we look at...

Yes, exactly that. I have it set up this way on all my systems so that I
- especially on my mobile computers - can read (existing) mails while I'm on the train or whatever.

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Sven

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