I'm insisting about IDE for linux. The only problem I found is that I can't use the ALT+GR key (right alt) because (I supose) it was catched for using with alt funcitons. In many international keyboards the right alt key has a special meaning and is very important in programming, in example for typing [,], {, etc, etc.

If you tell me what do I need to compile the source code that is at the CVS repository, I can try th help to solve the problem. Or you can take it as a "bug report". I think it may not be very difficult for you to avoid catching the right alt key almost on international keyboards.

The problem is that this completely depends on the way you use the IDE for Linux.
In console mode, I never had any problems with the AltGr keys, but if you run the IDE over telnet or ssh or inside X, then about all and everything can happen !

The ability to get the AltGr keys over telnet mainly depends on the telnet client, so this can be very different
(not to mention that several clients seem to not support correctly the Ansi escape sequences used to draw the desktop, leading for instance to some empty parts of an editor line to be back instead of blue as it should be with default color!)

Under X the same kind of problems can appear,
even if my local frnech keyboard does work pretty well in this respect. But this might also be a simple X configuration problem.

Alt-Gr keys are not handled especially at all by the FP IDE, so you should first test if you can get these special chars by simply hitting the same keys inside an xterm window.

If you tell me what do I need to compile the source code that is at the CVS repository, I can try th help to solve the problem. Or you can take it as a "bug report". I think it may not be very difficult for you to avoid catching the right alt key almost on international keyboards.

As I stated above, no special handling is done for AltGr keys, as the do not result in escape sequences, but just in special chars.

El Vie 23 Mar 2001 19:19, escribiste:

I am using the IDE on the console... But AltGr key does not work at all...

Under X the same kind of problems can appear, even if my local frnech keyboard does work pretty well in this respect. But this might also be a simple X configuration problem.

:) I never tryed the ide under X, but I just tested it now. The drawing characters seen ugly but altGR key works fine! But I prefer to use the ide in a console if it is possible...

As I stated above, no special handling is done for AltGr keys, as the do not result in escape sequences, but just in special chars.

I tryed also RHIDE and seen that it has problems with catching alt keys for using it for special functions (it does not work at all). In fp IDE it works right, but I don't know why altGR combinations does not work...

I am trying fp under linux console on Mandrake 7.2, kernel 2.2.17. Any sugestions?

Do they work if you type those special chars at command prompt ?

in

a console if it is possible...

For X I strongly suggest that you run it with the following script for an xterm :

#/bin/sh
xterm -fn vga -fb vga -rv -e /the/complete/path/to/you/fp -t `tty` $*

Note that:
1) you need to have vga fonts
2) the -t options will allow the IDE to use the originating xterm window as tty for the compiled program to debug it !

I tryed also RHIDE and seen that it has problems with catching alt keys for using it for special functions (it does not work at all). In fp IDE it works right, but I don't know why altGR combinations does not work...

Do the AltGr keys work in Rhide ?

I am trying fp under linux console on Mandrake 7.2, kernel 2.2.17. Any sugestions?

Do you have a special keyboard ?
Did you configure Linux for this special keyboard ? I have a french keyboard and
in /etc/rc.d

I have a file called rc.keymap
that contains
/usr/bin/loadgzkeys fr-latin1.map

(Note that my Linux is VERY old)

but it might be that your installation didn't set the correct keyboard!

El Vie 23 Mar 2001 19:51, escribiste:

> >I am using the IDE on the console... But AltGr key does not work at all... Do they work if you type those special chars at command prompt ?

Yes!, it is working fine. I am user mapkeys es.

#/bin/sh xterm -fn vga -fb vga -rv -e /the/complete/path/to/you/fp -t `tty` $*

It works fine, thank you!

Yes, it works right in Rhide. But RHide has other problems... in example it does not convert variable names to uppercase when evaluating/watching, and some problems with keys... And I had problems on compiling rhide then I can't try to fix these problems.

My linux is running "loadkeys es" I also tryed "loadkeys es-latin1" with the same results...

I just discovered something!!

In a console, if I runs mc and presses CTRL+O for openning a shell, then the keys works with fp, but line drawing characters appears like in an X Terminal without the options you given...

> #/bin/sh > xterm -fn vga -fb vga -rv -e /the/complete/path/to/you/fp -t `tty` $* It works fine, thank you!

You might get problems with some function keys,
if you have, try to Use
"Options|Preferences|Learn keys"
dialog.

can't

try to fix these problems.

That is strange ...

Terminal

without the options you given...

Try using "fp -F"

this is the poor's man version
of fp (no double lines, but it look more acceptable than letters as border !)

El Vie 23 Mar 2001 20:20, escribiste:

The main problem may be the backspace key. It acts alwise like delete. When I enters to lern keys function, it is assigned as delete when I press it regardless where is the cursor.

It don't worked also. Running fp -F from a pts (like inside mc or from telnet) the line drawing characters are presented as letters ("x" for vertical lines, "q" for horizontal lines, etc.). When running it (with -F) from a virtual console (tty*) it runs normally, not with poor's man line drawing.

I was trying some things. In console, when altGR key don't work. If I enters the learn keys screen, I can place the cursor in any position (in exaplle lerning F1) and press keys like "[" (that needs AltGR) and it works. Then, in the editor, pressing "[" key (usint AltGr it acts as F1. It means fp is reading these keys but ignoring it.

I tryed fr-latin1 and AltGR keys are also not working. Are ther anything that I can do for helping you to debug the problem?

Can you tell me the date that is in the Help|About dialog ?

I was trying some things. In console, when altGR key don't work. If I enters the learn keys screen, I can place the cursor in any position (in exaplle lerning F1) and press keys like "[" (that needs AltGR) and it works. Then,

in

the editor, pressing "[" key (usint AltGr it acts as F1. It means fp is reading these keys but ignoring it. I tryed fr-latin1 and AltGR keys are also not working. Are ther anything

that

I can do for helping you to debug the problem?

I just found out that I also have the problem on console ! I didn't notice that I used an older version when I first tested it, sorry!

So I can confirm that I get the same problem,
this at least means that I should be able to debug the problem !

No idea from where it comes, but the fact that it works inside the "Learn keys" dialog helps me a little.

Thanks for the bug report !

I found the source of the problem and
hope that I fixed it.
I uploaded to ftp.freepascal.org a new FP IDE snapshot for linux.
This executable is completely statically linked, and as such should work on most i386 Linux boxes.
(It was compiled on a 2.2.5 linux machine)

Please try this new version ot and don't hesitate to report more bugs if you find other problems !

I forgot to tell you where !

it is in /fpc/snapshot/linux dir

WARNING: this is compiled with the 1.0.5 version of the compiler and as such you can not used the compiled RTL
that is present in the same dir as this is a v 1.1 RTL.

If you want to test compilation with this IDE, you will need to upload fpc10.zip from the source dir first and compile the RTL with a v 1.0.4(or 5) ppc386
using the Makefiles included.

El Vie 23 Mar 2001 20:52, escribiste:

It says Version 0.9.1 2000/12/18

El S�b 24 Mar 2001 21:08, escribiste:

I just downloaded
ftp://ftp.freepascal.org/pub/fpc/snapshot/linux/linuxide.tgz

but the files in the tar file are dated 2000/12/18 and are the same size as fp I've already got...

If you want to test compilation with this IDE, you will need to upload fpc10.zip from the source dir first and compile the RTL with a v 1.0.4(or 5) ppc386 using the Makefiles included.

I tryed to compile the ide from the cvs tree, but I need also tvision or something like this that I don't have. Where can I find it?

No, the right file is a zip file,

ftp://ftp.freepascal.org/pub/fpc/snapshot/linux/fp.zip

Sorry, I forgot to tell you the name :(

You can't compile the IDE because there is
no Freeware TVision clone available for now :(

We are trying to create one, but this will take some time.